Re: Ezekiel 36 and the Mountains of Israel Pt II
Hope you had a chance to read the posts above concerning Gogu as well as the piece about 3 senior generals: Now consider the following. This stuff all makes me sick folks!
Over the last few months I have been looking at the various names mentioned in Ezekiel as confederates of Gog. I have already indicated in the thread above that Meshech and Tubal can have multiple meanings. It is really interesting to look at all the meanings...a picture begins to come into focus. So with that in mind I looked at other players: Persia, Cush and Put according to most Bible translations. Gomer is mentioned and Beth Togarmah as well...the many nations with you. As you know conventional wisdom has it that Cush is Ethiopia and Put is Libya. This may be the case although even I know that Cush can also apply to the upper Euphrates region. Cush was the son of Ham and father of Nimrod who built Babylon and Nineveh. Put was another son of Ham and so brother of Cush, Canaan and Mizraim. Mizraim is an ancient name for Egypt and as you know the Canaanites settled along the coast of the Mediterranen in what became Israel. However Mizraim was also the father of the Ludites who are believed to have lived in central Anatolia (modern Turkey). Canaan was the father of the Hittites who also settled in central Anatolia/Turkey. Gomer is a son of Japheth rather than Ham. Gomer is related to Magog, Tubal, Meshech among others in Genesis chapter 10. Just about everybody seems to be connected with modern Turkey or perhaps a bit further east including Georgia/Armenia. It is not a giant leap to conclude that modern Turkey will be a BIG player in the Gog scenario. Just happens that Turkey is the one Muslim nation that Israel trusts and has had very progressive dealings with over the last number of years. I won't go into them here.
The one player we have not discussed in all of this is Persia. For months/years I have thought that somehow Persia/Iran needed to "come on side" with the west to make the whole Gog is George scenario credible. That is still possible but getting pretty remote. The Iranians seem to be continually screaming nasty things about Israel and its destruction. Even if they set aside their nuclear ambitions I don't think anybody would trust them for a long time. However read on...
The word translated Persia in the Bible actually comes from Paras. It is invariably translated Persia. Note that there is no person named Paras in Genesis 10. So where does this name come from?? If you check the Daniel 5 story you will recall the handwriting on the wall. Mene mene tekel upharsin. The upharsin in Aramaic means "and parsin" (the plural of peres) Check out verse 28. The word peres can mean Persia/Paras but also means "divided" as in a half mina or half shekel. Note how clever the language in Daniel 5:28 reads: "your kingdom is divided and given..." So I went to my Strongs and looked up "peres". It is number 6538, which comes from 6536 paras, meaning to "to break in pieces, to split,to distribute, to part, to tear" Get the idea? Now 6538 peres means a claw, also a kind of eagle or ossifrage, a bird that drops its prey from a great height thus breaking its bones. Interesting that in two places in the Tanack peres is translated as "vulture" which is a raptor bird of the eagle family..but I digress. Now the very next word in Strongs is 6539 Paras (ie Persia, an eastern country). Remember that in ancient Hebrew there are no vowels to distinquish peres from paras. Also there is no punctuation to distinquish paras from Paras. So 6536, 6538 and 6539 are all the same word! Whom is Ezekiel actually describing? We know in Daniel 5 that the Paras there turned out to be the Persians. Interesting that it WAS under Cyrus the Persian king that the Jews returned to the Land. What if Ezekiel is NOT talking about Persians at all. The name can just as easily be translated Eagle (people) along with Cush and Put and the other good folks from Turkey. Now here is the exciting part. The President of the Eagle people today is about to DIVIDE the Land. He stands in contrast to Cyrus of Paras who helped the Jews. The modern Gog is a raptor/vulture. Interesting that the name of the current President of Israel is Shimon Peres. I need to confirm that his name in Hebrew means raptor/vulture/divider. Incredible, huh??? or eh??? for the Canadians.
IF the above is linguistically possible than we don't need to wait for Iran/Persia to come "onside". The ancient destroyer of Babylonia (Cyrus) had a big role in the history of Israel. The modern destroyer of Babylonia (George) may have a similarly important role to play. He does not need Persia with him. The people of the Eagle (America) are his to command. Look for Turkey to be "onside" with the USA for a big peacekeeping effort as the Land is DIVIDED before your very eyes very soon. You can read the rest of the story in Ezkiel 38 and 39!
http://www.ossifrage.net/
1.As a rendering of L. ossifraga, or as a name for the Lammergeyer or Geir Eagle, or of some kindred species identified by the bird called by Romans ossifraga
1601 Holland Pliny x. iii. 272 Some reckon yet another kind of Ægle, which they call Barbatæ; and the Tuscanes, Ossifrage. 1611 Bible Lev. xi. 13 The Eagle and the Ossifrage [R.V. geir eagle], and the Ospray [Coverd. the Aegle, the Goshauke, the Cormoraunte; Wyclif an egle, and a griffyn, and merlyoun; Purvey an egle, and a grippe, aliete; Vulg. Aquilan et gryphem, et haliæetum]. 1646 Sir T. Browne Pseud. Ep. 130 When the Septuagint makes use of this word [γρυψ] . . Tremellius and our Translation hath rendred it the Ossifrage, which is one kinde of Eagle. 1656 Blount Glossogr., Ossifrage, a kind of Eagle, having so strong a beak, that theirwith she breaks bones, and is therefore called a bone-breaker. 1688 R. Holme Armoury ii. 256/i The Ossifrage, or Dispised Eagle . . is of greater Body, yet of different colour from the Eagle. 1871 Whyte Melville Sarchedon III. xi. 150 Such kin they seemed to their conquerors as the dog to the wolf, the ossifrage to the eagle.
PS: . I noticed that earlier in January just the day before George Bush went to Middle East he entertained Turkish President Abdullah Gul at the White House with "full honours". President Ab brought his wife, foreign minister, energy and nat resources minister, economy minister, and Rear Admiral Sever,head of the General Staff Intell Dept. Before meeting Bush, President Ab met with VP Cheney, Sec of State "Anaconda" Rice, and Defense Sec Rob Gates. No doubt there were commitments made to keep the PKK (Kurds) out of Turkey. The US is sharing satellite info with Turkey already. Wonder what the USA got in return...
Hope you had a chance to read the posts above concerning Gogu as well as the piece about 3 senior generals: Now consider the following. This stuff all makes me sick folks!
Over the last few months I have been looking at the various names mentioned in Ezekiel as confederates of Gog. I have already indicated in the thread above that Meshech and Tubal can have multiple meanings. It is really interesting to look at all the meanings...a picture begins to come into focus. So with that in mind I looked at other players: Persia, Cush and Put according to most Bible translations. Gomer is mentioned and Beth Togarmah as well...the many nations with you. As you know conventional wisdom has it that Cush is Ethiopia and Put is Libya. This may be the case although even I know that Cush can also apply to the upper Euphrates region. Cush was the son of Ham and father of Nimrod who built Babylon and Nineveh. Put was another son of Ham and so brother of Cush, Canaan and Mizraim. Mizraim is an ancient name for Egypt and as you know the Canaanites settled along the coast of the Mediterranen in what became Israel. However Mizraim was also the father of the Ludites who are believed to have lived in central Anatolia (modern Turkey). Canaan was the father of the Hittites who also settled in central Anatolia/Turkey. Gomer is a son of Japheth rather than Ham. Gomer is related to Magog, Tubal, Meshech among others in Genesis chapter 10. Just about everybody seems to be connected with modern Turkey or perhaps a bit further east including Georgia/Armenia. It is not a giant leap to conclude that modern Turkey will be a BIG player in the Gog scenario. Just happens that Turkey is the one Muslim nation that Israel trusts and has had very progressive dealings with over the last number of years. I won't go into them here.
The one player we have not discussed in all of this is Persia. For months/years I have thought that somehow Persia/Iran needed to "come on side" with the west to make the whole Gog is George scenario credible. That is still possible but getting pretty remote. The Iranians seem to be continually screaming nasty things about Israel and its destruction. Even if they set aside their nuclear ambitions I don't think anybody would trust them for a long time. However read on...
The word translated Persia in the Bible actually comes from Paras. It is invariably translated Persia. Note that there is no person named Paras in Genesis 10. So where does this name come from?? If you check the Daniel 5 story you will recall the handwriting on the wall. Mene mene tekel upharsin. The upharsin in Aramaic means "and parsin" (the plural of peres) Check out verse 28. The word peres can mean Persia/Paras but also means "divided" as in a half mina or half shekel. Note how clever the language in Daniel 5:28 reads: "your kingdom is divided and given..." So I went to my Strongs and looked up "peres". It is number 6538, which comes from 6536 paras, meaning to "to break in pieces, to split,to distribute, to part, to tear" Get the idea? Now 6538 peres means a claw, also a kind of eagle or ossifrage, a bird that drops its prey from a great height thus breaking its bones. Interesting that in two places in the Tanack peres is translated as "vulture" which is a raptor bird of the eagle family..but I digress. Now the very next word in Strongs is 6539 Paras (ie Persia, an eastern country). Remember that in ancient Hebrew there are no vowels to distinquish peres from paras. Also there is no punctuation to distinquish paras from Paras. So 6536, 6538 and 6539 are all the same word! Whom is Ezekiel actually describing? We know in Daniel 5 that the Paras there turned out to be the Persians. Interesting that it WAS under Cyrus the Persian king that the Jews returned to the Land. What if Ezekiel is NOT talking about Persians at all. The name can just as easily be translated Eagle (people) along with Cush and Put and the other good folks from Turkey. Now here is the exciting part. The President of the Eagle people today is about to DIVIDE the Land. He stands in contrast to Cyrus of Paras who helped the Jews. The modern Gog is a raptor/vulture. Interesting that the name of the current President of Israel is Shimon Peres. I need to confirm that his name in Hebrew means raptor/vulture/divider. Incredible, huh??? or eh??? for the Canadians.
IF the above is linguistically possible than we don't need to wait for Iran/Persia to come "onside". The ancient destroyer of Babylonia (Cyrus) had a big role in the history of Israel. The modern destroyer of Babylonia (George) may have a similarly important role to play. He does not need Persia with him. The people of the Eagle (America) are his to command. Look for Turkey to be "onside" with the USA for a big peacekeeping effort as the Land is DIVIDED before your very eyes very soon. You can read the rest of the story in Ezkiel 38 and 39!
http://www.ossifrage.net/
1.As a rendering of L. ossifraga, or as a name for the Lammergeyer or Geir Eagle, or of some kindred species identified by the bird called by Romans ossifraga
1601 Holland Pliny x. iii. 272 Some reckon yet another kind of Ægle, which they call Barbatæ; and the Tuscanes, Ossifrage. 1611 Bible Lev. xi. 13 The Eagle and the Ossifrage [R.V. geir eagle], and the Ospray [Coverd. the Aegle, the Goshauke, the Cormoraunte; Wyclif an egle, and a griffyn, and merlyoun; Purvey an egle, and a grippe, aliete; Vulg. Aquilan et gryphem, et haliæetum]. 1646 Sir T. Browne Pseud. Ep. 130 When the Septuagint makes use of this word [γρυψ] . . Tremellius and our Translation hath rendred it the Ossifrage, which is one kinde of Eagle. 1656 Blount Glossogr., Ossifrage, a kind of Eagle, having so strong a beak, that theirwith she breaks bones, and is therefore called a bone-breaker. 1688 R. Holme Armoury ii. 256/i The Ossifrage, or Dispised Eagle . . is of greater Body, yet of different colour from the Eagle. 1871 Whyte Melville Sarchedon III. xi. 150 Such kin they seemed to their conquerors as the dog to the wolf, the ossifrage to the eagle.
PS: . I noticed that earlier in January just the day before George Bush went to Middle East he entertained Turkish President Abdullah Gul at the White House with "full honours". President Ab brought his wife, foreign minister, energy and nat resources minister, economy minister, and Rear Admiral Sever,head of the General Staff Intell Dept. Before meeting Bush, President Ab met with VP Cheney, Sec of State "Anaconda" Rice, and Defense Sec Rob Gates. No doubt there were commitments made to keep the PKK (Kurds) out of Turkey. The US is sharing satellite info with Turkey already. Wonder what the USA got in return...
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