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    Re: Israel National Radio (Tamar Yonah interview with Shmuel HaLevi about the 5 secret U.S. bases in Israel) All I can say is WOW!!! Shmuel indicated the size and functionality is well beyond any normal strategic requirement. He mentions the likelihood of "detention centres" (OK let's just call them concentration camps) that may be needed soon for resisters to the disengagement plan that is unfolding. Early in the broadcast when asked why there needed to be independent US command and control, he talked about strategic interests of the US in the area, like protecting oil flow in the Middle East. Folks this whole thing has major military intervention written all over it. Look out for direct US involvement in the resettlement program, and another agenda linked with Saudi oil. The radio sounds like they are interviewing Ezekiel the prophet. I am amazed at how pieces are coming together. Each passing day it looks less and less likely that America will duck this appointment with destiny. Sounds like they are eager to get to the batting cage!! HSB PS What irony that at least one of the bases was actually constructed by Germans under contarct with the US. Unfortunately they know a thing or two about "detention centres"!!!
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      I'm still here..reading! Moving the settlers is a very major event. So much could happen!

      What a statement..the person sounded like Ezekiel..WOW!

      I just wanted to thank you all again for your comments and insight! So blessed to share these days with you all!
      Prov 25:11 A word aptly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver.

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        Some of us still believe that the very honor of God demands that this removal of Jews from portions of Judaea has to be derailed. I, for one, believe that the Gog event is still a bit down the road, but that the crisis with Syria may distract the disengagers. If there are any of you out there who lean in the same direction as I do, what is your guess about soon-to-come events. I expect the Syria pot to boil over.

        Another point

        I am trying my best to think well of Mr. Sharon, but I am sure that there is some character in the biblical history of Israel which he fits quite well. Here is a man who has broken his word and promises many times of late, which, if the standards set out in the Torah mean any thing, also mean that the final results of his actions of late will bring nothing less that than the judgment of God upon him and his colleagues. Could this man be under blackmail or something which causes him to renege on promises and commitments as he has? And why is he so afraid of a referendum, if he really believes that the majority of Israelis agree with what he plans to do? How do you measure a man like that? Could he have ever attended synagogue in his formative years?

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          ZionGene,

          I started to post this link a few minutes ago, but decided it really didn't fit the conversation - but since you have so conveniently brought the subject up

          http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=42855

          It seems that more Israelis favor "expelling the Palestineans" than favor "expelling the Israelis".... Clearly this is not a "majority" of people, by the standards of the United States, but it probably is significant.

          I suppose that I'm just the old curmudgeon, because after all these years of observation, I conclude that human nature - well, not yours or mine, or any of us here - but shall we say the majority of secular non-believers - can't help but become ensnared by the lust for power. They function totally on the level of someting akin to "It was my idea, therefore it's right. Period." No consideration for what God has to say about anything.

          Not to get on a soapbox, but I was reading an article a few minutes ago about a particular segment of our society, and the way in which they have "evolved" their justification of a behavior that we would consider "wrong". Over the years, it has shifted from "we have the right to live in absolutely any way we desire," to now being ready to censure the members of their own community that put others of their community as risk. The human emotion in control in this case is the old "If it feels good, do it, even though it may be 'wrong.'" (This paragraph was edited by the author - The original didn't adequately express God's love for all people, and His desire for every person to follow his precepts. It referenced an article in Raiders.)

          In Israel, we see a similar human behavior, "Stick your head in the sand, if you don't want to see that you're wrong." Isn't our old word for this something like "backslider"? "Yeah, I know I'm wrong, but I'm not willing to admit it."

          Stepping down off soapbox -

          Tonight I'm feeling that we're on the edge of a whirlpool. Where will this thing end? Certainly I don't know. We may all be loco. We may be pretty much on target, but just jumping the gun a few decades. But we just as likely may be right on target. I think the end of the age is now peeking over the horizon, and soon, we'll be able to see it more and more clearly. And boy, am I ready to go.

          I was thinking last night about two old songs -

          "Soon, yes, very soon
          I am going to see the King"
          (I forget who - Andre Crouch maybe?)

          and

          "One of these days,
          I'm gonna take a vacation
          By a warm, and a peaceful shore.
          Gonna cool my feet in those crystal waters.
          And I won't have to work any more.

          Cause my burden's got a little heavy,
          And I can't stand up alone.
          Gonna lay my head down
          On one strong shoulder,
          Cause I can't stand up alone."
          (Mighty Clouds of Joy)
          Last edited by PlumBob; 02-16-2005, 03:37 AM.
          ". . . for the time has come for you to awaken from your slumber. . ." Romans 13:11

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            PlumBob, you say that you are not a prophecy expert, but I wonder where you dig up words like "curm....." Please remind me what that means!

            PlumBob, you were speaking about some very evil folks, and the excesses and folly to which they go.

            Is evil inherited? I know that we all have an ample dose, which came down and multiplied exponentially since Adam, but the degree to which some people go, simply amazes me! I was always afraid of doing wrong! My mother used to say that "You can't be wrong and strong too," but some people seem not to have any shame: and that I cannot imagine.

            I know full well that one's conscience is enlivened after coming to Christ, but even before I knew Christ, I was afraid of doing wrong: I was never a good liar for example. Is there and inclination--or disinclination--or something in the genes; or is it simply a case of God not having given something to some, which He gaves to others? Do we put it down to predestination? Yes, maybe that is where it fits!

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              LOL

              curmudgeon
              (n.) A crusty irascible cantankerous old person full of stubborn ideas

              Yeah! that's me!
              ". . . for the time has come for you to awaken from your slumber. . ." Romans 13:11

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                What is this Raider's page that everyone keeps referring to?
                It sounds great. I'm a total news junkie always looking for my next fix.

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                  RFN, let me introduce you properly - please meet Raiders

                  http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/

                  Raiders, this is Radio Free Narnia, about to click on you.

                  Seriously, RFN, some things there are really good, some ho-hum....

                  ZionGene, my dear friend, you and I are just of a different age. You are correct, I think, in that evil has multiplied exponentially. I used to spout in my younger naive days, that people were all basically good. I now conclude that people, unsaved by the grace of God, are basically bad. Evil is so pervasive, so insiduous, so - so - evil - that it is working / has worked its way into every corner of human existence. It hurts to have to say that "people are basically bad" - but w/o Christ at the center of one's life, there is nothing inate in us that can counterbalance evil. In our earlier days (yours and mine) indeed there was shame, embarassment, our parents who had some inclination of good vs. bad - a "global sense" of rightness and wrongness. Today such is not widely the case, and only is found in true born-again Christians.

                  Can things indeed "get worse from here"? Probably. Surely I could never have dreamed of the kinds of evil that I read about on the pages of - Raiders for instance when I was a kid.

                  But, in an effort to get back on-topic, even when I really did not believe in a pre-trib rapture, which btw wasn't all that long ago, I was realizing that our world is spinning out of control, and many of the descriptions of the end-times which appeared in prophesy, were, in fact, appearing before my very eyes.
                  ". . . for the time has come for you to awaken from your slumber. . ." Romans 13:11

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                    Plum Bob and Zion Gene! You two are waayy too funny! I think perhaps you're both a couple of curmudgeons (I'm not so young I didn't know what that was!) and that's why you get along so well.

                    I'm right now sitting next to a Jewish friend of my husband's who lived in Israel a number of years ago. I'm going to try to get up enough nerve to ask him what he thinks of the situation there right now. He is MUCH older than me, and he's a doctor who graduated from Harvard, (his 19 y/o son is at Oxford - no stoopie family, believe me!) so I'm a bit nervous about brining up the subject. If I do, I'll let you know what he says....
                    Sandi
                    For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is loyal to Him. 2Chron 16:9

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                      Sandy Lion: I think your Jewish friend will be delighted that you value his opinion and insight. I have been in Israel on four occasions. Each time when I have met Orthodox Jews they ask what I think of the situation over there. It almost seems like they feel trapped in a forest and value an outsiders perspective. These have been wonderful opportunities to share and chat. The last time I was there I mentioned to one Orthodox man I met in Jerusalem how impressed I had been with our visit to Shiloh, the site where the Tabernacle stood for 369 years, and where Samuel heard the voice of God. I said I was convinced that the Jews should never give this place up again. His wife beamed and looked at her husband. He then told me that he had been the mayor of Shiloh for the last four years. We talked for about 45 minutes more. Now what are the chances I would say these things to a totalstanger and that he would be the mayor of Shiloh??? I said that when we bring our little tour group over there in May he wants to meet them all.

                      On another note, my doctor is a very intelligent Orthodox Jew. When I switched to his practice, the first time I met him we chatted during the checkup about Israel and the Scriptures. That first time when leaving his office he gave me a big hug and said "you are closer than my own brother". If you respect these people and show that you are a student of the Scriptures who loves God Almighty, there will be a resonance there that is very powerful.

                      To the suspect curmudgeons out there, I say keep up the "out of the box" discussions and comments. That is as useful to the soula nd spirit as a good 2 mile walk a day is to the body. We should all keep "light on our toes" because God has a ay of surprising us often!

                      Regarding the proliferation of sin, I have wondered if there isn't at least4 discernible levels to sin. First there is private sin, then there is shared sin, then there is public sin, finally there is institutionalized sin. I have been thinking that the Old Testament laws in many respects protected the nation from the full blown aspects of sin, which destroys a whole nation. Thus adultery was punishable by death when there were at least 2 witnesses. Well that sounds like it was at the public level. We live in an age when what God considers abomination has moved from private/shared sin up to institutionalized level in warpspeed time. (I'm talking not just tolerance for gay lifestyles but formal marriages approved and blessed by the state and church) In my opinion when sin gets full blown and laws get passed which support and encourage it (call it affirmative action to balance centuries of "oppression" in a school curriculum near you) then that society is ripe for God's judgment.

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                        On hearing that word "curmudgeons" after so long a time, I had attached my own translation to it. When I was a boy, a "cur" was used to describe a pesky little canine. Then there is "mud," and we all know what that is. Add to that "geons" and drop the "g," which leaves "eons," which means ages and ages. A "curmudgeon" is a troublesome person who slings mud all the time.

                        But to get back to more serious business...

                        We are here talking about scenarios and characters as Israel lurches forward toward Her destiny with The Messiah, and it appears as if the Book Of Ezekiel is fast becoming God's roadmap, and primary reference source. And, in this regard, chapter 20:32-37 is most revelant to me, because it speaks of similiar situations and circumstances, as God takes Israel, not through the Wilderness of Sinai in Egypt as He once did, but through The Wilderness Of The People (verse 35-36), and I suspect that if I look hard enough, I will see types and likenesses of events--and even time-frames--which transpired as Israel crossed Sinai, of, and to, the Gog invasion (in Og the King of Bashan for example), and the present Palestinian uprising, etc. There were, for example, the Amalekite attacks upon the weakest of the Israelites, which are echoed today in suicide bombings of buses. I also see in the verse 32, God's thumbs-down to those who would make of Israel, a place for casinos, and commerce, and a new Switzerland of sorts. God will also sternly keep Israel on course, and will quickly apply goads and "the rod" if necessary, to discourage backsiding (33). Then there seems to be a threat (verse 38) to Jews who live abroad--and who may disregard the source of miraculous happenings in Israel, and who delay in making aliyah as a result--to have their path of escape from persecuaion and death cut off forever from God's protection and grace.

                        Ezekiel 20:32 And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone. 33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: 34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. 35 And I will bring you into the
                        wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. 36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. 37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: 38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the
                        LORD.


                        I am going to sit down and trace the path and events which transpired, between the parting of the waters of the Red Sea, and the crossing of the River Jordan by Joshua. I may even try reversing the order of events, and see if I make anything of them

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                          I'm looking forward to hearing what you have learned ZionGene. I have wondered at times if the time frames from 1948 and 1967 were important. eg the age of becoming a soldier at 19, corresponding to 1948 +19 = 1967 etc. There is also that beautiful passage in Isaiah about the miraculous child being a sign, then "within 65 years" deliverance will come. Christians of course apply this miracle baby reference to the coming of Jesus, which it surely was. Many of these verses also apply to Israel, my son! I wonder if the miacle baby could also be the creation of Israel in 1948. Something to consider. Also the time of wilderness counting from taking of Jerusalem and the west bank but not "possessing the land" could result in interesting developments depending on whether you count 40 years or the 38 years from Sinai.
                          Last edited by HSB; 02-16-2005, 08:00 PM.

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                            STOP PRESS

                            Syria and Iran agree to make "a common front" against America. Do you suppose that this will serve to distract the disengagers? My guess is just that!

                            I scooped this up so fast, that I neglected to get the link. I will be back with it

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                            • re: 19 years from 1948 to 1967

                              HSB

                              One common understanding of that interval (dating back to Sir Robert Anderson in the late 1800's) is the distinction between the "servitude of the nation" vs. the "desolations of Jerusalem" pertaining to the Babylonian exile. The exile was prophesied by Jeremiah to last 70 years. The "servitude of the nation" began with the first seige by Nebuchadnezzar in 605bc and ended exactly 70 years later when cyrus ordered the release. There is another event that happened 19 years after the 1st seige and that is the 3rd seige at which time Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. That too lasted exactly 70 years, because the order to rebuild the city was decreed by artaxerxes longimonus 19 years after the decree by cyrus to let the captives return. You have 2, 70 year, periods that overlap, in that the 2nd began 19 years after the first began, and ended 19 years after the first ended.

                              The order is
                              1. the nation falls 2. Jerusalem is destroyed
                              1. the nation is reborn 2. Jerusalem is "reborn"
                              then 1. in 1948 the nation was born and 2. 19 years later (1967) Jerusalem was regained.
                              Michael Jones

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                                MichaelJ: thanks for that information. It seems that God is keeping score over the long haul. Perhaps the 70 year periods will factor in modern times. I read on a Jewish site that God's promise in the book of Jeremiah to chastise Babylon after 70 years was never fulfilled in ancient times. It only got to 69 years before it fell to the Medes. Remember Daniel understood about the 70 years being up after the new kingdom was already established. Anyway, Babylon as a distinct country never existed again until modern times. It was resurrected in the 1930s and barely completed 70 yearsa before the recent invasion that deposed Saddam. Incredible how these things work out!

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