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    I don't expect a coup in Iran to happen. With the right twist, Iran and America will be ready to join forces to "peace keep" Israel out of existence. IAEA's referral last week of Iran to the UN Security council was one of the greatest threats to peace that has ever occurred. There were two major provisions in this referral with a given time frame. The first issue was Iran. They are naturally calling for Iran to be disarmed. This is good. We should anticipate, however, that Iran would not give up without a fight. That fight could turn global. The second issue was the critical one. America, in its wisdom, agreed to an Egyptian rider that would call for complete WMD disarmament in the Mideast including Israel. If Israel were to relinquish its nuclear defense they would be unable to stop the armies of the world from invading. Again, the IAEA referral is calling for a second country to give up what it unwilling to do. This again could start a major war.

    The referral on February 4th had a five-week abeyance before the Security Council would initiate its proceedings. Israel said it would wait until March before it considers a military strike. If Israel can annihilate the Natanz nuke plant the issue may be moot when it reaches the UN. Think of the consequences, if Israel attacks the world may switch its focus from Iran to Israel. They would see the Iranian threat gone but the need for peacekeepers in Israel. After all if they expect Israel to disarm they will have to use force to do so and also force to protect them after they are disarm. America would favor this. Iran would also be willing the help disarm Israel. It is foreseeable that America and Iran would end up on the same side, at least for a while.

    What went down last on the fourth could be the stimulus for:
    Israel to attack Iran
    The world to call for Israel to disarm
    Gog and his friends to come into Israel to see Israel to disarm
    A need for a an agreement with many to protect Israel after the skirmish

    In a sense, the stage is being set for Gog.

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    Dear Jeff: thanks for posting the scenario. Nothing new there that we have not discussed somewhere on this thread. I happen to agree that the Iranian "nuke" is the economic kind not the military bomb. Oil trading in euros makes a whole lot of sense in this day and age (but is also a mega threat to the US dollar) So it will be interesting to see what happens. Will America, the only superpower in the world as we speak, quietly throw in its cards and watch the economic system implode around it OR will it fight back? If the latter than look for a coup in Iran and "peacekeepers" deployed into Hamastan (the new west bank arab state). Time will tell shortly who gets thumped hard. I agree that we all need to prepare for what is coming soon either way! Regards, HSB

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    I'm not sure if this has been posted before but after reading it, IMHO is a very plausible scenario.
    As some on here have mentioned, I believe we should prepair for some hard times to come. I'm not trying to sound gloomy or faithless but I think that the Lord would want us to see the signs for what they are and prepair accordingly.

    God Bless,
    Jeff

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    Looks like the majority of israelis now clearly favor unilateral disengagement from the "occupied territories":

    http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...archived=False

    Sixty percent of Israelis back further withdrawal: poll
    Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:43 AM ET



    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Nearly 60 percent of Israelis support a further unilateral pullout from the occupied West Bank after last year's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, an Israeli newspaper poll showed on Friday.

    Interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said Israel would have to give up parts of the occupied West Bank and quickly set a border with the Palestinians.

    The survey published in Yedioth Ahronoth said 59 percent believed Israel needed to separate from the majority of Palestinians and would approve a unilateral pullout from land Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war.

    In January a poll by rival Israeli daily Maariv showed 51 percent of Israelis approved a unilateral move from land Palestinians want for a future state.

    Olmert, who assumed power from Prime Minister Ariel Sharon after he suffered a stroke on January 4, has said he hopes to pursue peacemaking with the Palestinians.

    But that prospect appeared more unlikely after Hamas scored a crushing victory over the long dominant Fatah party in Palestinian parliamentary elections last month.

    In the absence of a peace deal, Olmert has said Israel could take unilateral moves.

    Olmert, a strong supporter of the Gaza withdrawal completed in September, is the front-runner in Israel's March 28 general election.

    The Yedioth poll found that Olmert's centrist Kadima party will win the largest share of seats in Israel's 120-member parliament with 43, gaining one from a previous survey.

    A Maariv poll on Friday, in contrast, showed Kadima winning 40 seats, down two from a previous survey.

    Yedioth also conducted a poll of Jewish settlers living on occupied land. It showed 93 percent believed Olmert as prime minister would carry out an additional unilateral pullout.

    The survey found 72 percent believed a further pullout would be more violent than the Gaza withdrawal. Of that 72 percent, 18 percent warned that settlers could fight eviction by using live weapons.
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    Originally posted by HSB
    Judy Ann: good post! here is another interesting tidbit. As we all suspected, the unilateral evacuation of Gaza without any peace settlement has been viewed by the militants as a WIN for their program of terror. In fact it is! If there had not been the long simmering terror strikes (kassams, suicide bombers) Israel would not have left the area. This does not bode well for the future for any Jews left on the wrong side of the wall
    PS I am surprised that Olmert could even keep a straight face pretending he could leave the West Bank for a PA state but still hold on to the Jordan valley. Kiss those settlements goodby as well folks.

    ..."
    At least the Israelis will be voting on a course of action in their up coming March elections with their eyes open. They will get more than they bargained for. To me, its surprising that Omert is ahead of Netanyahu in the polls?!!!

    The Israelis should know that withdrawing is only seen as weakness in the eyes of the wicked. They will not get their cherished peace. Appeasement just delays and intensifies the inevitable .

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    Judy Ann: good post! here is another interesting tidbit. As we all suspected, the unilateral evacuation of Gaza without any peace settlement has been viewed by the militants as a WIN for their program of terror. In fact it is! If there had not been the long simmering terror strikes (kassams, suicide bombers) Israel would not have left the area. This does not bode well for the future for any Jews left on the wrong side of the wall
    PS I am surprised that Olmert could even keep a straight face pretending he could leave the West Bank for a PA state but still hold on to the Jordan valley. Kiss those settlements goodby as well folks.

    Hamas: Terrorism Brings About Israeli Retreat
    15:39 Feb 08, '06 / 10 Shevat 5766
    By Ezra HaLevi

    http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=98189

    The ruling Hamas terror group has produced a video crediting its terror attacks as the policy that successfully led to the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and will bring about further withdrawals.

    In the video, translated by Palestinian Media Watch, images of Jews being forcibly removed by Israeli troops from Gaza’s Jewish communities are shown, as well as the destruction of the towns – with the following lyrics sung in the background:

    “The invaders fled [Gaza]
    The army of the Jews was defeated
    The home and the homeland is returning through [Palestinian] blood
    Not through negotiations, surrender, or promises
    Allah the Great, be pleased by the sound of thunder!
    We will never accept the Judaization of the Land of Heaven We will never accept the enemies in the land of our fathers...
    The invaders fled [Gaza]
    The army of the Jews was defeated
    The home and the homeland is returning through [Palestinian] blood
    Not through negotiations, surrender, or promises...
    Let the enemies leave the entire land!
    And take their holy books, which are all black!
    Our flag was raised and spread out, O Jihad...!
    The invaders fled [Gaza]
    The army of the Jews was defeated
    The home and the homeland is returning through blood”[Hamas website, February 2006]

    The words, “rejecting negotiations,” are sung over famous images of political agreements being signed by Shimon Peres and Ariel Sharon with various Arab leaders.

    As the words "homeland is returning" are sung, an image of the Israeli city of Haifa is displayed, stressing that Hamas sees all of Israel as the "homeland," to be returned to “through blood.”

    The words, "Let the enemies leave the entire land! And take their holy books which are all black," are sung while images of Jews praying are shown.

    “The clear message to the Palestinian viewer is that the Gaza withdrawal is both the defeat of Israel through terror, and a precedent for the future,” said Palestinian Media Watch Director Itamar Marcus.

    In addition to the Hamas video, the perception that the Disengagement vindicated the murder of Israeli civilians in terrorist attacks was echoed in an article in Tuesday’s PA-sponsored Al-Hayat Al Jadida newspaper:
    "The smashing victory of the Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement [Hamas] in the PLC elections . . . confirms that this people believes only in the option of resistance as a single way for the liberation of Palestine from the Zionist colonialism...
    "What was liberated from the land of Palestine in Gaza was done only through the heroes and the jihad warriors, not through futile negotiations for peace and nor by head bowing..."

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  • JudyAnn
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    WOW!!!

    In response, Palestinian Authority minister Ghassan al-Khatib told Reuters: "The Israeli leadership can ensure progress towards peace and security only by departing from Sharon's policies of settlement expansion and unilateralism."

    The first time an Israeli leader gets down to specifics
    Asked by Army Radio what the highlights of the interview were, political affairs reporter Nissim Mishal said it was the any first time Israeli leader gave such specific details on what Israel would keep.

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    here's some more:
    our tour group will be travelling all through this area in May, Lord willing. Please pray for our safety. May we be a blessing to the good folks that are about to be cut loose from Israel.

    http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/679959.html

    Olmert: We must separate from Palestinians, draw final borders

    By Aluf Benn and Lilach Weissman, Haaretz Correspondents and The Associated Press

    In his first interview since becoming Acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert on Tuesday revealed the core of his political agenda as the country's leader, stressing that Israel must separate itself from the Palestinians within an agreement that would draw its permanent borders.

    Speaking with Nissim Mishal on Channel 2 TV, Olmert said "reality today obliges us to separate ourselves from the Palestinians and to remodel the borders of the State of Israel and this is what I will do after the elections."

    When asked what concessions Israel would be prepared to make, Olmert said "we will separate from the majority of the Palestinian population living in the West Bank. This will force us to evacuate territories currently held by the State of Israel."


    "We will hold on to the major settlement blocs (in the West Bank). We will keep Jerusalem united," he said.

    But Mishal did not relent and asked for details on the shape of Israel's future borders.

    In response Olmert said "Ma'aleh Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel will remain part of the State of Israel."

    "Control over Israel's eastern border cannot be renounced," he said in relation to Jordan Valley settlements.

    The interview was the clearest indication to date of how he plans to draw Israel's final borders, defining the central issue for Olmert's Kadima Party as it heads into the March 28 elections that polls indicate it will win handily.

    In response, Palestinian Authority minister Ghassan al-Khatib told Reuters: "The Israeli leadership can ensure progress towards peace and security only by departing from Sharon's policies of settlement expansion and unilateralism."

    Separately, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz was quoted Tuesday as saying that Israel would establish its final borders, with or without a negotiated deal, within the next two years.

    Gideon Sa'ar, the chairman of the Likud election campaign, said in response Tuesday that Olmert's statements were misleading.

    "Kadima leaders' statements on their alleged intention to keep the Jordan Valley are an attempt to mislead the public... The commitment to keep the Jordan Valley is not included in Kadima's platform."

    "Olmert has objected to the security fence's eastern route, which was supposed to keep the Jordan Valley, and [Foreign Minister Tzipi] Livni has spoken about a security fence that would serve as Israel's border. Kadima is trying to blur its intention to withdraw to the pre-1967 border with slight border adjustments, in order to attract voters," Sa'ar said.

    The first time an Israeli leader gets down to specifics
    Asked by Army Radio what the highlights of the interview were, political affairs reporter Nissim Mishal said it was the first time any Israeli leader gave such specific details on what Israel would keep.

    Mishal said Olmert specified that he intended to hold on to the three major West Bank settlement blocs - Ariel, Gush Etzion and Ma'aleh Adumim - in addition to the Jordan Valley.

    "He talked about Israel having to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of Israel, meaning that we have to create a new border, what is called final borders," Mishal said.

    "He knows that we can't negotiate with Hamas. So the only conclusion that can be derived from this is that in order to reach final borders, Israel will have to carry out additional [unilateral] withdrawals."

    At odds with head of Shin Bet
    In recent public appearances, Olmert has said that while Israel prefers a negotiated final peace deal with the Palestinians, that wasn't the only option.

    This stance put him at odds with the head of Israel's Shin Bet security service, Yuval Diskin, who opposes further unilateral actions unless the Palestinians can prove they can take control of the evacuated territory.

    "The government can decide whatever it wants," Diskin told Jewish seminary students at a hardline Jewish settlement in the West Bank. "As far as security is concerned, I am against transferring the territories to the Palestinians, including territories that were under their control, unless we are confident that there is someone on the Palestinian side to take control in that area."

    Diskin's remarks, widely broadcast Tuesday, were made to a closed forum a month ago.

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    HSB -

    I saw a little piece about Israel pulling out of much of the west bank territory on the news this afternoon - and of course I thought of you.

    This is going to get VERY interesting before long.

    PB

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    Well here we go folks: from Associated press: (Note: there will be a full eclipse of the sun in the Middle east cutting across Turkey on March 29th...bit of an omen as they say...)
    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/07/D8FKEG600.html


    Israeli PM Discloses Separation Plan
    Feb 07 1:33 PM US/Eastern
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    By LAURIE COPANS
    Associated Press Writer


    JERUSALEM


    Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Tuesday that Israel plans to separate from most of the Palestinians in the West Bank and this would require withdrawing from some of the territory.

    It was the first time Olmert, who took over from ailing Ariel Sharon a month ago, has spelled out his thinking for future policy if he wins March 28 elections. The Kadima Party he inherited from Sharon, who is comatose after a stroke, is far ahead in the polls.



    "We will disengage from most of the Palestinian population that lives in Judea and Samaria," Olmert told Israel's Channel 2 TV, using the biblical names for the West Bank. "That will obligate us to leave territories under Israeli control today."

    Under questioning, Olmert listed West Bank four areas Israel would keep under his vision: Maaleh Adumim, a settlement of 30,000 next to Jerusalem; Gush Etzion, a bloc of settlements south of Jerusalem; Ariel, a settlement of 18,000 deep in the West Bank; and the Jordan River valley.

    Olmert did not mention the string of small settlements in the Jordan valley. Instead, he said, "It is impossible to abandon control of the eastern border of Israel."
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    Hal - I saw that as well.. the pictures are really quite telling

    You can watch the video here, or look at the stills:

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/

    ..and very interesting post John. Thanks for the update. Quite an interesting choice of words, I would say...
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    I hope people have been tracking the developments in Amona in Israel. Check out :http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=97879 or http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=97799

    Clearly the government is showing excessive force and resolve. Look for this to harden even further in the months ahead. In terms of public perceptions there will be a real effort to make the settlers to look like "thugs" and "jerks" to distance them from the rest of the nation. Thank goodness for folks like Arutz Sheva showing the settler perspective.

    In my opinion we are getting close to the abandonment of the entire West bank, save for a few major settlements. All of this will be needed to allow a still born Palestinian state to come about. Europe and America expect no less, to keep the moderate arabs across the ME on side. As the French say "meme chose"!

    PS to John. Looks like there is so much "hooking" going on that there will be a lot of spare crochet products to go around! The whole world will be "hooked" into Israel at some point in the divine plan.
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    I was listening to the Calvary Chapel call-in answer radio show (Pastor's Perspective), recently and they had Bill Gallatin (Calvary of New York) on. He just got back from Israel and had some interesting perspectives. He felt the Israelies seemed more concerned about Iran than Hamas. They toured the Dead Sea and the IDF was practicing bombing runs, along-side of it for a possible attack on Iran.

    The other host was talking about a recent article in Newsweek, which was about Russia and Iran. One of those interviewed (not a religious person) commented that it seemed that Russia was being "hooked" into siding with Iran.

    Has anyone seen this article. It would be nice to confirm that secular people are unknowingly quoting scripture!!!!

    John H.
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  • wendyj
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    bump!!!!!

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  • Andy
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    Originally posted by Lay it to Heart
    It's interesting that the more Israel talks about giving away its land, the more its enemies are trying to take it by force. Hamas doesn't want to be given the land, they want the victory of taking it forcefully. A regime change may be possible in Iran but it doesn't seem likely. To invade, or peacekeep if you will Israel, Iran may be willing to follow along with others it really doesn't care for. That's not to say that they won't double cross the leader. Significant events can change the thinking of all of the leaders. For example, if the temple mount wall collapses, retaliating terrorists send chemical WMD's to Tel Aviv overshooting it killing most of the Gazans and Isreal responds taking out Damascus, yeah, I can certainly see all the nations rushing to come into Israel to keep the peace.
    It's the same thing, isn't it? They carry out their acts of murder and eventually Israel "gives" them the land. That's certainly what the thugs claim - victory by attacking the civilians. Let's face it - Israel and the US is proving that terrorism is a successful way to defeat an enemy. Kill enough innocent civlians and the government gives in to your demands.

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