Ezekiel 36 and the Mountains of Israel.

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Perhaps but - by the time Daniel 11:41 comes along the AC has moved his HQ to Jerusalem (11:45) and I believe that IF he comes from Jordan the reason Jordan escapes his attack is because it is his home country and he won't destroy his own people.

OR perhaps....... the AC has a close working relationship with the Jordanian King

[Andy]

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Daniel 11:41 says that Jordan is the only country not to be under (escape ?)the AC's controol so its not likely the AC is from Jordan

Perhaps but - by the time Daniel 11:41 comes along the AC has moved his HQ to Jerusalem (11:45) and I believe that IF he comes from Jordan the reason Jordan escapes his attack is because it is his home country and he won't destroy his own people.

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Daniel 11:41 says that Jordan is the only country not to be under (escape ?)the AC's controol so its not likely the AC is from Jordan

[Andy]

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Andy: please answer my question I posed to PB about the Hal Lindsay article: he mentions the Islamic countries AND YET Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon are NOT mentioned at all by Ezekiel. How is it possible that Ezekiel did not bother to include them? Also a note about MaGog. Everybody seems to think that it is perfectly OK to trace where people groups moved over the years (eg. The MaGogites mixed with Scythians and settled in Russia) Well why is it we assume Egypt in prophecy is modern Egypt when the inhabitants of ancient Egypt got scattered all over the place when the arab (semite) tribes invaded? For that matter we should assume that Israel is actually America because more Jews still live in USA than in Israel. Where does that all end? I am interested in your answers to these two questions Andy.

There's no clear answer from scripture but I personally believe it's highly possible that Egypt may have suffered a defeat in war earlier that renders it temporarily unable to get into the mix. Syria/Lebanon - well, that one I point to Isaiah 17:1. I don't believe there is ANY mention of Syria or Lebanon (the main support arm for Lebanon) in any end times prophecy except for this passage. I have a feeling that will occur before Ezekiel 38.

As for Jordan - what if the AC is from Jordan? Would that stand to reason then that the nation wouldn't join in on this attack attempt?

I catagorically reject Israel being America (IMHO). The promises to Abraham are very specifically laid out by land, not by the people. As such I believe either America will be wiped out or the Jews here will flee to Israel - or both.

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On a more serious note notice that Hal L says "Together with the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Mediterranean Middle East, Ezekiel says they will constitute an invasion force that will move against the nation of Israel"

I ask you PB whom is Hal referring to when he says "the Islamic nations of the Mediterranean Middle East"? Is he referring to Egypt? Syria? Lebanon? even Jordan?

HSB...when I read Hal's article, the words "Mediterranean Middle East" jumped out at me. I just guessed that he meant Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan because they are located all together in that particular area.

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I think he's saying that Persia is the first nation listed with Gog in the invasion - not that Persia is actually leading the charge.

Aha! Gotcha.

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. . . For that matter we should assume that Israel is actually America because more Jews still live in USA than in Israel. . .

LOL.... I sure hope, in that case, that the "Mountains of Israel" are not the Rockies, stretching from Montana to New Mexico!

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Andy: please answer my question I posed to PB about the Hal Lindsay article: he mentions the Islamic countries AND YET Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon are NOT mentioned at all by Ezekiel. How is it possible that Ezekiel did not bother to include them? Also a note about MaGog. Everybody seems to think that it is perfectly OK to trace where people groups moved over the years (eg. The MaGogites mixed with Scythians and settled in Russia) Well why is it we assume Egypt in prophecy is modern Egypt when the inhabitants of ancient Egypt got scattered all over the place when the arab (semite) tribes invaded? For that matter we should assume that Israel is actually America because more Jews still live in USA than in Israel. Where does that all end? I am interested in your answers to these two questions Andy.

[Andy]

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"Leading the Islamic alliance, according to Ezekiel, is Persia, (modern Iran)."

Ez 38 does not really say that. I've always wondered who actually leads the invasion, and in the context of the entire chapter, it appears to be Gog.

WLNF

I think he's saying that Persia is the first nation listed with Gog in the invasion - not that Persia is actually leading the charge.

[Andy]

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I got this from a study that was sent to me - Ryszard if you're reading this, thank you for this portion of the study you sent:

Who is "Gog"? Which land is the land of "Magog"?

Some people think that "Gog" is the Devil. But does the context support this idea?
Ezekiel wrote that after "Gog's" last attack he will fall and then be buried by the people. (Ez.39:4,11) So there is no need to prove that "Gog" represents the Devil as we know that the devil does not have a body of flesh and bone and has no need for a grave. Thus, in actuality, whom does "Gog" symbolize?

"Gog" is the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal.

"Meshech, the sixth son of Japheth (Genesis 10:2) is the founder of a tribe (1 Chronicles 1:5; Ezekiel 27:13; 38:2,3). They were in all probability the Moschi people, inhabiting the Moschian Mountains, between the Black and the Caspian Seas. In Psalms 120:5 the name occurs simply as a synonym for foreigners or barbarians. "During the ascendency of the Babylonians and Persians in Western Asia, the Moschi were subdued; but it seems probable that a large number of them crossed the Caucasus range and spread over the northern steppes, mingling with the Scythians. There they became known as Muscovs and gave this name to the Russian nation and its ancient capital by which they are still generally known throughout the East" (Easton's Bible Dictionary).

Many ancient sources have clearly identified "Magog" as referring to the "Scythians".
One of the earliest references to Magog was made by Hesiod, "the father of Greek didactic poetry" who identified Magog with the Scythians and southern Russia in the 7th century B.C. Hesiod was a contemporary of Ezekiel.

Josephus Flavius clearly identified Magog. "Magog founded the Magogians, thus named after him, but who were by the Greeks called Scythians". (Josephus, Antiquities, 1.123; Jerome, Commentary on Ezekiel 38:2)

The Greek historian Herodotus wrote that in the fifth century B.C. the Scythians ruled from the Don River, in present southern Russia, to the Carpathian Mountains in central Europe.

Philo, is another historian in the first century A.D. who identified "Magog" with southern Russia.

Ancient authorities clearly identified the Scythians as the ancestors of the present day Russians.

However, even without that information, the identity of "Magog" is not too difficult to figure out. In Ezekiel 38:15, it says: "And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee". The "north parts" is literally the "extreme, or uttermost" parts of the north.

I personally see Ezekiel 38 being a Russian-led band of Islamic powers as Hal says in his article as quoted by PB. The list of nations there never had a tie-in to each other until Islam began taking over their governments - now we have a tie-in...something the older scholars never quite understood (why this particular list of nations). To me it's just really neat to see things lining up to fulfil prophecy.

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"Leading the Islamic alliance, according to Ezekiel, is Persia, (modern Iran)."

Ez 38 does not really say that. I've always wondered who actually leads the invasion, and in the context of the entire chapter, it appears to be Gog.

WLNF

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PlumBob: great to hear from you. First I need to tell you that my nephew has acquired one of those new fangled laser plumBobs that one puts against the wall and it automatically shows vertical line and horizontal by red laser light. I of course felt like Rip Van PlumBob with my old fashioned "bob" and string..but I don't have to worry about batteries wearing out

On a more serious note notice that Hal L says "Together with the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Mediterranean Middle East, Ezekiel says they will constitute an invasion force that will move against the nation of Israel"

I ask you PB whom is Hal referring to when he says "the Islamic nations of the Mediterranean Middle East"? Is he referring to Egypt? Syria? Lebanon? even Jordan? If so why does he not say so (and then add that NONE OF THESE are included with the Gog invasion according to Ezekiel's prophecy. Methinks there are a few holes in Hal Lindsay's arguement but it makes good press in the Christian community. Let's watch God thump the Commies and their Muslinm cronies... I still think the "enemy" will turn out to be us!

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Hal,

This is a brand-new article by Hal -

The OTHER Hal Hal Lindsey

Not the computer in 2001; A Space Oddesy

From http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/arti...rticleID=12473
quoted in it's entirety

Iran, Russia and Ezekiel 2/13/2006

One of the highlights of President Bush's State of the Union speech was his jab at the far Left, reminding them that "hindsight is not wisdom and second guessing was not a strategy."

Nowhere is that truth more evident than when considering our next move in the nuclear stand-off with the mad mullahs of Iran.

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad responded to Bush's promise to defend Israel by mocking the West, telling a crowd of thousands near Bushehr; "I am telling those fake superpowers that the Iranian nation became independent 27 years ago and ... on the nuclear case, it will resist until fully achieving its rights."

Ahmadinejad's war talk has even started to make the Russians and Chinese nervous.

The Russians realize that they helped let the nuclear genie out of the bottle, but they didn't expect to find themselves joining the effort to try and stuff it back in. The Security Council's five permanent members, including a reluctant Russia and China, have asked the U.N. nuclear watchdog to report Iran to New York "immediately."

The IAEA said in a confidential report last week that Iran had already begun preparing for uranium enrichment. Tehran makes no effort to deny its connection with what it calls "resistance groups" or "liberation movements" like Hezbollah or Hamas.

Ahmadinejad just concluded a meeting in Damascus with leaders of Hezbollah, Palestinian Jihad, Hamas, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine on January 20th.

At that meeting, Ahmadinejad reminded the Muslim world that "continued resistance" is the "only way" to end "the occupation of the holy Islamic lands" by Israel.

In remarks commemorating the 27th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution last week, Ahmadinejad promised Israel 'will be removed.'

"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them. . . . Do the removal of Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations," he thundered.

Ahamdinejad also reportedly said that while giving an address to the UN he underwent a 'mystical experience' that convinced him that the great end-times Islamic war against the infidels was at hand, and that it fell to Ahmadinejad to 'kick things off' if necessary.

(It was probably when Ahmadinejad started seeing halos and getting fuzzy spiritual experiences about starting the Islamic end of the world that Moscow began to have second thoughts about its Iranian nuclear program.)

The Hebrew prophet Ezekiel, writing from his vantage point in history, circa 537 BC, predicted that in the last days, there would be a great war involving not only Islam, but dragging an unwilling Moscow along for the ride, as if God had put 'hooks in its jaws', the prophet said.

Leading the Islamic alliance, according to Ezekiel, is Persia, (modern Iran). Together with the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Mediterranean Middle East, Ezekiel says they will constitute an invasion force that will move against the nation of Israel.

In Ezekiel's day, there had been no nation called 'Israel' for almost two centuries and no sovereign nation called Israel would exist for another 2500 years.

Today, in 2006, Israel exists, as Ezekiel predicted. Iran, [Persia] is Israel's sworn enemy, as Ezekiel predicted. The Islamic world is poised, waiting for an excuse to wipe Israel off the map, as Ahmadinejad is promising to do if Iran obtains nuclear weapons.

Israel, facing the potential of annihilation at the hands of a nuclear Iran, will have to take action to stop the Iranians as a matter of national survival.

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Andy: you ask the $64,000 question..actually with inflation it is now $64 billion...how does one prepare?

I suggest we get as close to God as possible, through reading the Word and daily prayer life. Then, when the tornado comes whistling through we will be in His Will and know it. That may involve us being taken home to glory (death) or it may mean His miraculous protection. Either way "Blessed be the name of the Lord". As these things begin to unfold, I believe we will be given both faith and boldness to proclaim His Glory. The value of what we are doing here is to share what God is showing each of us today, so that we are not shocked and overwhelmed when these big things happen, and disaster strikes close to us (or even on our own heads) IMHO we have been living in La La Land for many years, enjoying the creature comforts while the ship we are riding is taking on water....

[Andy]

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I'm not sure if this has been posted before but after reading it, IMHO is a very plausible scenario.
As some on here have mentioned, I believe we should prepair for some hard times to come. I'm not trying to sound gloomy or faithless but I think that the Lord would want us to see the signs for what they are and prepair accordingly.

God Bless,
Jeff

http://prophecyforum.com/gano/gog.html

How do we "prepare"? I've been wondering that ever since the Jerry Golden thing. Okay, stock up on food/water but is that really preparing? I have a feeling we're going to undergo some trials - yes. But I think the best preparation we can do is to abolish apathy - get SERIOUS with our walk with our Savior. Then, and only then, can we truly be prepared for anything that comes our way.

My wife and I are reading 2 Chron together and one thing that really struck me about Amaziah did that which was "right in the sight of the Lord" but "not with a perfect heart" (2 Chron 25:1-2). He started off on the right track but what struck me is it sounded like he wasn't really very strong in his walk - and he eventually turned completely away from God.

I believe there is so MUCH in the church today - especially in America...and I have a feeling those of us that are apathetic are going to come to a point of decision in our lives. Many will fall by the wayside - of this I am sure. I only hope and pray I'm one that WILL be prepared...spiritually. Physically would be nice, too, but I really don't know how to physically "prepare" for what is definitely coming - sooner or later.