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    Sanhedrin Establishes Council to Teach Humanity ´Laws of Noah´

    A group of non-Jewish delegates have come to Jerusalem to pledge their loyalty to the Laws of Noah before the nascent Sanhedrin, establishing a High Council for B'nai Noach.

    The ten delegates appeared before a special session of the Jewish High Court of 71 Rabbis led by its Nassi (President) Rabbi Adin Even-Israel Steinsaltz. B'nai Noach, literally "Children of Noah," also known as Noahides, are non-Jews who take upon themselves the Torah's obligations for all members of the human race - consisting of seven laws passed on via Noah following the flood, as documented in Genesis (see below).

    The gathering took place under a banner quoting the Biblical passage: "For then I will change the nations to speak a pure language so that they all will proclaim the name of the Lord, to serve him with united resolve (Tzefania 3:9)"

    The Noahide delegates stood before the nascent Sanhedrin, which was reestablished over a year ago in Tiberias and has met regularly since then. "Each one comes with a name he has made in the world, as a teacher and example in his community of observance of the seven laws of Noah," said Rabbi Michael Bar-Ron, introducing the delegates. "At great physical and financial expense they have come to Jerusalem, the holy city, from far and wide, to pledge their allegiance, for the first time in history, before the Sanhedrin, to the laws of the Creator."

    Each of the Noahide representatives stood before the Sanhedrin and pledged:

    "I pledge my allegiance to HaShem, the God of Israel, Creator and King of the Universe, to His Torah and representatives. I pledge to uphold the Seven Laws of Noah in all their details, according to Oral Law of Moses under the guidance of the developing Sanhedrin. May HaShem bless and aid me, my fellow council members and all B'nai Noach in all our endeavors for the sake of His name. Blessed are you, G-d of the universe who has caused me to live, sustained me, and brought me to this day."


    Roger Grattan, a delegate who lives in Maine, told Arutz-7 prior to the ceremony, "I am sure that this will be a paragraph in the history of civilization, although one could also write books on it. It is also the fulfillment of prophecy." The other members of the council are Bud Gil, Billy Jack Dal, Andrew Overall, Adam Penrod, Jacob Scharf, Chairman Larry Borntrager; Honorary Noahide Council Elder Vendyl Jones, Jack Saunders and Council Speaker Jim Long.

    Long addressed the rabbis of the court, requesting formal recognition of the Noahide Council. "Your honor, esteemed rabbis of the developing Sanhedrin. We are here because of your Torah. Rabbis before you elevated the Torah and it drew us in - before that we stumbled in darkness. Everyone here today can tell you that in the past we have experienced the need to consolidate our efforts to make the world aware of the truth."

    Rabbi Even-Israel Steinsaltz, on behalf of the Sanhedrin, replied: "We hereby recognize these men as the first high council of B'nai Noach in accordance with the conditions they have accepted upon themselves."

    Rabbi Steinsaltz spoke about the role of the Jewish people in bringing the Laws of Noah to the world. "I am part of this Jewish family and I have nothing bad to say about that family, but you don't go up to a man on the street and ask him to join your family. Instead you talk to him about joining the true belief in the Creator and about implementing divine justice toward his fellow man. We are setting up a global mission here – not to recruit people, but to bring them to the realization that there is one G-d." The Nassi explained that this aspect of Judaism lay dormant for years as the Jewish people dealt with staying alive and keeping the Torah in the exile.

    Rabbi Steinsaltz called for an extensive project to be undertaken to help B'nai Noah in the nitty-gritty details of the observance of the religion. "A Shulhan Aruch for B'nai Noah must be written so that the individual can have guidance as to what to do," Steinzaltz said, referring to the compendium of practical Jewish law written by Rabbi Yosef Karo of Tzfat in the 1560's that is still used today.

    He then addressed the ten B'nai Noah representatives, who had endured hours of Hebrew speeches throughout the day, in English:

    "There are those people, so far only a small number, who say 'We are bound by the covenant of Adam and the covenant of Noah and we know we have to perform and fulfill our obligations.' We, as Jews, have the same religion as you.

    "Within the nation of Israel there is one tribe that deals with the Temple – the priests. We Jews are a specific tribe in the world that was chosen to be a tribe of priests – hereditary priests. Because of this we have special duties. Being a priest does not mean we are cut off from the other people. While the people of the world are all different units in the armies of the Lord, we are a special commando unit that maybe doesn't get paid more, but has special assignments that may be more dangerous."

    Rabbi Even-Israel spoke about the difficulties that would confront the B'nai Noah movement as it grows. "When we are speaking in general, almost every human being can more or less accept the laws of Noah, but when we get to particulars we will come to serious points, at which we disagree with Christianity and Islam," he said.

    "It is one thing when a religion is small, but as it gets bigger there will be huge pressures. We will be there beside you. We are members of the same religion that was given by the Almighty to humanity. Part of it was given to the Jews and part of it was given to humanity as a whole."

    The Nassi added that while there are those who doubt the ability of the Sanhedrin to be more than an idea leading up to the true reestablished court, the Noahide Council is not able to be doubted or criticized due to its pure motives and unprecedented mission.

    Rabbi Yaakov Ariel of the Temple Institute said that although Tuesday is the Fast of the Tenth of Teveth, which commemorates the beginning of the destruction, "Our sitting in Jerusalem now, alongside B'nai Noach, demonstrates the revival and the fulfillment of the words of the prophets." Rabbi Ariel told those gathered that he had seen a rainbow that morning, "the closest thing to seeing Noah himself - the symbol of the covenant between G-d and humanity as witnessed by Noah," he said.

    Famed archaeologist and Noahide leader Vendyl Jones addressed a festive banquet held for the Council members, speaking about the Seven Laws of Noah. He explained, in detail, the verses in the first eleven chapters of Genesis from which the seven laws are elucidated, saying that he always understood the first six, but never understood the law proscribing the eating of a limb of a living animal, until he remembered his cattle-branding days in Texas. "We would brand and castrate the cattle when I was young, and that night we would all sit around the campfire and eat what they called 'mountain oysters' " – the testicles of the still-living animals.

    Rabbi Nachman Kahane, Av Beit HaDin, spoke in English. "G-d created a primitive world," he said. "We don't grow loaves of bread, but grain that must be harvested, ground up and baked. We were meant to be partners with G-d. Unfortunately, throughout history, perversions of this idea grew. How can you be G-d's partner if you are damned and born with original sin? How can you be a partner of G-d if your religion tells you to send your children to shopping malls to blow people up? What we are creating today is a reconnection between the people and G-d. G-d is saying to humanity – everyone has a job. I happen to be a priest - I have a particular task for when the temple is built - but all of us have a specific task just the same - I am no better."

    Jones told Kahane that his brother, slain Knesset member Rabbi Meir Kahane, together with Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach, had organized the first conference for B'nai Noah nearly 20 years ago.

    Conference on Noahide Council

    Earlier in the day, several speakers addressed issues surrounding the B'nai Noah movement as part of a conference on the establishment of the B'nai Noah Council.

    Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, a leader of the Italian Muslim Assembly, addressed those gathered, speaking about B'nai Noah in Islam. "Islamic law holds within it the seven laws of Noah and can be taught correctly to the Muslims of the world." Sheikh Palazzi also said, "I remember reading that a new Sanhedrin was created in Jerusalem," "my impression was very positive - I thought maybe something new had been created to allow the Jewish people to project moral and legal clarity to counterbalance the lack of it in our world." Palazzi added that the project of creating a council of Noahide teachers would hopefully counter the negative educational effect of the Gaza withdrawal, "which taught the opposite to my people - it convinced many that only terrorism works."

    Rabbi Dr. Eliyahu Zini, who heads Yeshiva Or V'Yishua and is the rabbi of Haifa's Technion, spoke about the intuitive natural truths of the laws of Noah. "We must create a formal connection between the nation of Israel and the B'nai Noah to show the world that we are a nation of holy priests, as is dictated in our Torah," he said, speaking partly in French as well, as the conference will be available on the Sanhedrin's web site for viewing by prospective B'nai Noah worldwide.

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      Rabbi Yoel Schwartz, who received the blessing of leading Hareidi-Religious Rabbi Shalom Elyashiv to engage in the project of creating a court and infrastructure for B'nai Noah, addressed the conference as well. Rabbi Schwartz is the Deputy Av Beit HaDin [literally, Court Elder] of the Sanhedrin and the Av Beit HaDin for the B'nai Noah court. He spoke on the topic of "B'nai Noah and World Peace."

      "The Islamic Jihad against the world has restored religion to the center of the world's consciousness," Schwartz said. "Over thirty years ago someone by the name of Eisenberg sent a proposal to the United Nations saying that there will never be world peace unless the citizens of the globe agree on certain principles of faith. It was adopted by the UN as one of its official documents but was not followed up upon and has since been forgotten. We are here today to follow up on that document and remind the UN why it exists. There will be world peace when the whole world agrees that there is one G-d. There are people who do not think what I am about to say is worthwhile, but I suggested years ago that we begin to translate our books, which are meant for the nations of the world, into Arabic as well [Schwartz has authored many books on practical observance for Noahides –ed.]. It is not by coincidence that we have this nation alongside us, surrounding and living inside the land upon our return to it, who also preserves the heritage of Abraham our father."

      Schwartz has indeed translated his books to Arabic, with the help of an Arab man he met at a bus stop who asked him a Mishanaic question, telling him he had already translated the Mishna, a codification of Jewish oral law. He said the entire printing is sold out. "Muslim parents have thanked me for teaching their child that there is a different way to heaven than becoming a shahid, a martyr," he said.

      Schwartz explained that although one of the purposes of the Jewish people's exile was to disseminate belief in the Torah's truths around the world, their return to Israel has brought with it the technology to redouble our efforts from here. "The moment we came to Israel, communication technology flourished. The telephone and radio spread rapidly, and computers and internet came soon after, changing the entire concept of communication and education. When we were in the exile, we were there to teach the world, and now that we have returned to the Land of Israel, G-d has given us the tools to do the work from here."

      Rabbi David Zilbershlag, Director of Meir Panim and Koach Latet, both innovative charity associations, spoke about rectifying the misdeeds of Noah's generation, the generation of the flood. Zilbershlag said that the new Council of Noahides must focus on kindness and charity, as that was the basis of G-d's covenant with Noah, (the lack of which resulted in the destruction of Noah's entire generation) and his later covenant with Abraham.

      "It is hard to distribute and spread an idea that is negative, as the laws of Noah are phrased," Zilbershlag said. "We must make a great effort to find and distribute the relevant positive commandments in our tradition throughout the world as well, and the most basic of these is that of following in the footsteps of Abraham our father."

      Rabbi Eliyahu Essas, a former refusenik and founder of the Teshuva movement in the USSR, spoke about establishing outreach within Israel to help gentiles who moved from the Former Soviet Union to Israel become aware of the Noahide laws. "There are at least 400,000 out of the million people who came to Israel who are not Jewish according to Jewish law. There are many who think they are Jews, but do not have a Jewish mother and are therefore not Jewish according to Jewish law. 150,000 have no blood connection to the nation of Israel – spouses of Jews and relatives who came under the law of return. Then there are 30,000 who have nothing to do with the Jewish people, but forged documents. There Jews wanted to be Russians, here, Russians want to be Jews.

      "Should we harass such a person to convert, should we leave him alone, or should we try to get him to become a Ben Noah?" Essas asked, refraining from offering answers and saying that such complicated matters must be dealt with by both the Noahide Council and the Sanhedrin's B'nai Noah Beit Din. He added that the problem of intermarriage was not discussed by previous generations because it did not exist in such numbers. "We are dealing with 50% of families in the FSU and even more in North America. So if one spouse is a Jew and one is Ben Noah, what will be their status? I want to raise these issues and offer a prayer to the Almighty to help us find wise solutions."

      Council Looking Forward

      Spokesman Jim Long outlined the Council's goals. "Education is a vital part of our effort and we need you to help us with this. We need to make sure that developing Noahide groups do not split into denominations. As we move into the public eye, we will be viewed as heretics by many. We each come from other religions and must develop ways to approach them in a manner in which they listen without closing their ears. The Noahide movement is a Torah-based template for an ethical way of life. The Creator requires humanity to uphold these laws as per his covenant with Noah.

      "Anyone who reads the Bible can see that your Torah is your constitution, your Bill of Rights and your deed to the Land of Israel. We have plans to publish Noahide prayer books, children's books and documentaries on science and the world through the lens of the Torah."

      "We have heard that G-d is with you," Long concluded.


      The Seven Laws of Noah are:

      Shefichat damim - Do not murder or commit suicide.
      Gezel - Do not steal or kidnap.
      Avodah zarah – Pray and offer sacrifices only to G-d. Do not worship false gods/idols.
      Gilui arayot - Do not be sexually immoral (engage in incest, sodomy, bestiality, castration and adultery), crossbreed animals or perform castration.
      Birkat Hashem - Do not utter G-d's name in vain, curse G-d or pursue the occult. Honor your parents.
      Dinim - Set up righteous and honest courts and apply fair justice in judging offenders and uphold the principles of the last five.
      Ever Min HaChai - Do not eat a part of a live animal or consume blood.


      http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=96347

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      • #18
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        Interesting numbers here

        from above article:

        The ten delegates appeared before a special session of the Jewish High Court of 71 Rabbis led by its Nassi (President) Rabbi Adin Even-Israel Steinsaltz. B'nai Noach, literally "Children of Noah," also known as Noahides, are non-Jews who take upon themselves the Torah's obligations for all members of the human race - consisting of seven laws passed on via Noah following the flood, as documented in Genesis (see below).

        from another article:
        Rabbi Adin Even-Israel Steinsaltz Elected to Head Sanhedrin

        The court of 71 rabbis has now decided to select of a group of seven individuals within the Sanhedrin to represent the institution in dealings with the public and with Gedolei Yisrael - recognized spiritual leaders of Israel.

        Rabbi Adin Even-Israel (Steinsaltz)
        Rabbi Nachman Kahane
        Rabbi Yisrael Ariel
        Rabbi Yoel Shwartz
        Rabbi Dov Stein
        Rabbi Yehuda Edri
        Rabbi Dov Levanoni

        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=83438
        Last edited by Debbie W.; 01-09-2006, 10:01 PM.

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          Though the majority of the membership of the 71-member "new" Sanhedrin remain anonymous, seven members have been selected to represent the body to the public. Three of these seven are leaders of the Temple Mount Movement who advocate demolishing the Al-Aqsa Mosque to make way for a Third Temple in Jerusalem. Further, the "new" Sanhedrin has confirmed its place within the Temple Mount Movement by announcing its intention to take steps to prepare for the rebuilding of the Temple. Subscribers to the Temple Mount Movement believe that the obligation to build the Temple is still in force, and that Jews have an obligation to work towards that end. Some of them also believe that by rebuilding of the Temple, they can usher in a Messianic Era of eternal peace.

          The Sanhedrin has also selected a group of non-Jewish leaders, scholars and teachers from the Noachide movement - the best-known of these is Dr. Vendyl Jones, to form a High Council (me: the ten delegates) of Noahides responsible for outreach education from within the non-Jewish world.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin
          Last edited by Debbie W.; 01-09-2006, 11:20 PM.

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          • #20
            Re: Sanhedrin to Hold Session With Worldwide Noahides Monday

            also remember the jpost article

            Hear ye, hear ye: Sanhedrin seeks David's scion as king

            Can't seem to access it on jpost now but here's the article from a different site


            Will Jews begin proclaiming "Long live the king" in the near future?

            According to a group of 71 Jewish scholars who met this week in the Old City of Jerusalem in the form of a modern-day Sanhedrin – a duplicate of the religious tribunal which convened during the time of the Second Temple – a coronation day is growing closer.

            As one member of the group put it, "We would have liked it to happen yesterday. But we are willing to wait until tomorrow."

            There hasn't been a genuine Sanhedrin in Israel for nearly 1,600 years; the last one to be proclaimed was in France, by Napoleon, for political gain. Shortly after the establishment of the State of Israel, religious affairs minister Judah Leib Maimon raised the notion of reinstituting the ancient body, to no avail.

            The group composed largely of Kahane sympathizers that gave itself the name Sanhedrin in October, however, met Sunday to discuss the creation of a Jewish monarchy in the State of Israel.

            For the past several years a group called the Monarchists has conducted extensive research into the lineage of several families in an effort to discover who has the closest bloodline to the biblical King David – a requirement for any future Jewish king.

            Rabbi Yosef Dayan from Psagot, known for his recent threats to place a death curse on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is said to be a leading candidate to become the "king of Israel."

            "Dayan has the best lineage to King David," several members of the Sanhedrin told The Jerusalem Post. They say he has two documented ancient sources which draw a direct line between him and the males in his family to King David some 3,000 years ago.

            "Many people can show they are descendants of King David, but they cannot show that the line is only male," one Sanhedrin member explained. "That makes Dayan the leading candidate to become king."

            The Monarchists have consulted with non-Jewish experts on lineage. They concurred that, without a doubt, Dayan is a direct descendent of the House of David.

            The only question now is how to establish the Jewish monarchy in spite of the presiding democratic government.

            "There are two possibilities," Dayan explained. "The first is that the nation or a majority from within will want the monarchy and will uproot the presiding democratic government."

            The second, more realistic option, he said, is "the one cited by Maimonides – and that is that no one will know how it will be until it happens."

            Some of the other ideas discussed at the Sanhedrin meeting included the construction of an altar on the Temple Mount to be used for the Passover Offering during the upcoming holiday.

            One of the ideas, members said, is to climb the Mount and build the altar within minutes and sacrifice the lamb before security forces can stop them. Another, said leading Sanhedrin member Baruch Ben-Yosef, is to pray for a tsunami-like disaster on the Mount.

            "In one second, God wiped out 150,000 people," he said. "Who knows? Maybe he'll help us if we show him we are ready." Participants also discussed Ben-Yosef's idea of reinstating the Sanhedrin's authority to announce Rosh Hodesh, the beginning of the new lunar month.


            "It is very important to reinstate the Sanhedrin's authority to announce the month, because it will force people to understand that God gave us the power to control the calendar and our own destiny," Ben-Yosef said.


            http://www.his-forever.com/hear_ye_hear_ye.htm


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            • #21
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              Interesting character, Vendyl Jones. I realize we have recently had discussion about discernment and those who are a times overly zealous in their "treatment" of fellow believers they disagree with, but this needs to be brought out about this "Dr Jones". The following is an excerpt from http://www.watchman.org/reltop/filmdig.htm
              Vendyl Jones, head of the Arlington, Texas based Institute of Judaic-Christian Research (IJCR) and leader of the B'nai Noach (Noahides or Sons of Noah) movement, has gained the attention of the national press (New York Times, National Geographic, Omni, and CNN) with stories of his numerous archeological digs in Israel searching for the biblical ashes of the red heifer (Numbers 19:2).

              Jones, a former Baptist preacher, believes these missing ashes are the key to prophecy. He predicts that once he finds the ashes, "God will return to earth in a tongue of fire. The tented temple will be restored in a blaze of transcendent glory. Jews from all nations will return to Israel. And peace will come to the Middle East" (Ibid).

              In the article, entitled, "Masquerader of the Lost Ark," Seal discovered that Jones' archeology is an outgrowth of his unusual theology.


              J
              ones teaches a doctrine known as dual covenant. He believes that Jesus Christ is not the Savior of Jews but is only Savior of the gentiles. Jones even claims it is sinful to share Christ with a Jew.


              Jones called traditional New Testament theology, "the greatest hoax of mankind"
              explaining that he was driven to archaeology by, "his belief that the New Testament was a fraud" (Texas Monthly p. 140). Jones often speaks to Christian groups and his digs may be financed in part from Christians who are not aware of his true goals.

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              • #22
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                All of this brings to remembrance these verses....

                Revelation 20: 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

                6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

                And this.........

                http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=95986
                An Israeli radio talk show host last week said......it is OK for others to believe in Jesus but any Christian /missionary who tries to lead a Jew away from their God (i.e. to Jesus) should be killed..reading from Deuteronomy.... ..it is said if you go along the slide rule at the bottom to just before the forward arrow
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                • #23
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                  Question????? Does anyone other than me find this odd????

                  Why is the Sanhedrin doing this?...I mean re: The Laws of Noah (Noahide Laws)......this is pre-Abraham...pre-Jewish nation...is this not odd????
                  Everything Jewish is post-Abraham!!!!!..so what gives????

                  Any thoughts? Am I missing something?

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                  • #24
                    Re: I agree

                    I agree that this is all pretty odd. Especially when one looks at the fact that the Law was given to Moses, not Noah. I would appreciate it if someone could explain this to me--perhaps I am just dense but I don't get this whole"Noahite" law thing.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Sanhedrin to Hold Session With Worldwide Noahides Monday

                      Genesis 9:
                      1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
                      2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth [upon] the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
                      3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
                      4 But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
                      5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
                      6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
                      7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.
                      8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,
                      9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;
                      10 And with every living creature that [is] with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.
                      11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
                      12 And God said, This [is] the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations:
                      13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
                      14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
                      15 And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
                      16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] upon the earth.
                      17 And God said unto Noah, This [is] the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that [is] upon the earth.

                      The seven laws are:

                      Avodah zarah - Do not worship false gods/idols.
                      Shefichat damim - Do not murder.
                      Gezel - Do not steal.
                      Gilui arayot - Do not be sexually immoral (forbidden sexual acts are traditionally interpreted to include incest, sodomy, male homosexual sex acts and adultery.)
                      Birkat Hashem - Do not blaspheme.
                      Ever min ha-chai - Do not eat anything of the body of a living animal (given to Noah and traditionally interpreted as prohibition of cruelty towards animals)
                      Dinim - Set up righteous and honest courts and apply fair justice in judging offenders and uphold the principles of the last six.
                      The Talmud also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a). Any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as one of "the righteous among the gentiles". Maimonides states that this refers to those who have acquired knowledge of God and act in accordance with the Noahide laws.

                      It is amazing to me that current-day Jews believe that everyone from Adam to Noah were also Jewish. The Bible does not state this anywhere. The Jews began with Abraham.

                      It is also amazing to me that the Jews believe that all the Noahide laws were given by God. Where are they stated in Genesis????

                      They have blinded themselves to what the Torah and the rest of the Old Testament says.

                      Now, the rest of the world needs to understand that what they have proposed is false and untrue.

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                      • #26
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                        I find it all odd too. I think the 7 laws are supposed to be from the babylonian talmud though.

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                        • #27
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                          The Sheva‘ Miswot Benei No’ah are seven laws considered by rabbinic tradition to be the minimal moral duties enjoined by the Bible on all men (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56–60; Maimonides’ Mishneh Torah, Yad Hazaqah, Melakhim 8:10, 10:12). According to Rabbanite tradition, every non-Jew is a "son of the covenant of Noah" (cf. Bere´**** [Genesis] 9). Someone, who takes on the obligations of the Noahide coventant is called a Ger Toshav [reident alien] (Babylonian Talmud, ‘Avodah Zarah 64b; Maimonides’ Mishneh Torah, Yad Haqakah, Melakhim 8:10). Maimonides equates the "righteous man (Hasid) of the Goyyim [nations - i.e., non-jews]" who has a share in the world to come even without becoming a Jew with the gentile who keeps the Sheva‘ Miswot Benei No’ah.
                          The Sheva‘ Miswot Benei Noah are defined in the Talmud and the Midrash, where it is claimed they were derived from divine demands addressed to Adam (Bere´**** [Genesis] 2:16) and Noah (Bere'**** Rabbah 34; Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 59b). As with many Rabbanite interpretations, the exegesis used to derive the Sheva‘ Miswot Benei No’ah is forced and relies highly on questionable methods of interpretation, as well as out-right invention. The Rabbis claim that as Adam and Noah were the progenitors of all mankind, the Noahide laws are to be regarded as universal.
                          ARE THE NOHAIDE LAWS ALL THEY CLAIM TO BE?
                          Talmudic texts seem constantly to alternate between two terms, reflecting contradictory assumptions as to the basis of the authority of the Noahide laws. These areas of authority are: the seven precepts "which were commanded" (SheNisawu) to the Noahides, and the seven precepts "which the Noahides accepted upon themselves" (SheQibbelu ‘Aleihem) (Babylonian Talmud, Bava Qama 38a; Jerusalem Talmud, ‘Avodah Zarah 2:1; Babylonian Talmud, Hullin 92ab; Babylonian Talmud, Horayot 8b; Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56b).
                          The Talmudists, supposedly having received a clear tradition of seven Noahide Laws, had difficulty in explaining why other pre-Sinaitic laws were not included, for example procreation, circumcision, and the law of the sinew. They suggested two somewhat strained principles to explain the anomalies. The absence of circumcision and the sinew is explained through the contention that any law which predated the Torah and was not repeated at Sinai was applicable solely to Israelites (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 59a), whence procreation, while indeed obligatory on non-Jews according to Rabbi Yohanan (Babylonian Talmud, Yevamot 62a) would nevertheless not to be listed (cf. Tosefot on Babylonian Talmud, Yevamot 62a s.v. Benei; Tosefot on Babylonian Talmud, Haghighah 2b s.v. Lo).
                          http://www.orahsaddiqim.org/on_going.../noahide.shtml

                          Morality
                          The 7 Laws of the Children of Noah
                          Applicability of the Seven Laws, permission to observe other laws of the Torah, permission and prohibition to learn Torah; proper intention concerning performance of Seven Laws; honoring parents; charity; interbreeding animals; grafting plants; circumcision; creating religions or new religious ritual observance; having children; burial

                          1. With respect to God's commandments, all of humanity is divided into two general classifications: the Children of Israel and the Children of Noah.
                          2. The Children of Israel are the Jews, the descendants of the Patriarch Jacob. They are commanded to fulfill the 613 Commandments of the Torah.
                          3. The Children of Noah comprise the seventy original nations of the world and their branches. They are commanded concerning the Seven Universal Laws, also known as the Seven Laws of the Children of Noah or the Seven Noahide Laws.[1] These Seven Universal Laws pertain to idolatry, blasphemy, murder, theft, sexual relations, eating the limb of a living animal, and establishing courts of law.
                          http://www.moshiach.com/action/morality/seven_laws.php

                          Noahide Laws
                          also called Noachian Laws, a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind.
                          Beginning with Genesis 2:16, the Babylonian Talmud listed the first six commandments as prohibitions against idolatry, blasphemy, murder, adultery, and robbery and the positive command to establish courts of justice (with all that this implies). After the Flood a seventh commandment, given to Noah, forbade the eating of flesh cut from a living animal (Gen. 9:4). Though the number of laws was later increased to 30 with the addition of prohibitions against castration, sorcery, and other practices, the “seven laws,” with minor variations, retained their original status as authoritative commandments and as the source of other laws. As basic statutes safeguarding monotheism and guaranteeing proper ethical conduct in society, these laws provided a legal framework for alien residents in Jewish territory. Maimonides thus regarded anyone who observed these laws as one “assured of a portion in the world to come.” Throughout the ages scholars have viewed the Noahide Laws as a link between Judaism and Christianity, as universal norms of ethical conduct, as a basic concept in international law, or as a guarantee of fundamental human rights
                          http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9055995

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                            Re: Sanhedrin to Hold Session With Worldwide Noahides Monday

                            Wow - I just read this thread through in detail (not scanning ) Thanks so much Debbie, cnav, Shelby, John and others for sharing this information. It is fascinating!!

                            Where do you guys find this stuff??

                            John : I was going to post information on Vendyl's archaelogical claims. I had read he was a Noahide - but until now, did not really understand the implications of all of this...

                            Keep it coming - I am eating this stuff up.

                            And I think Debbie pointed out on another thread that the whole Kabbalist thing ties into this as Kabbalists are also into Noahide beliefs?? The guy who cursed Sharon was a Kabbalist, I recall??

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                              Re: Sanhedrin to Hold Session With Worldwide Noahides Monday

                              Originally posted by Neggy
                              Wow - I just read this thread through in detail (not scanning ) Thanks so much Debbie, cnav, Shelby, John and others for sharing this information. It is fascinating!!

                              Where do you guys find this stuff??

                              John : I was going to post information on Vendyl's archaelogical claims. I had read he was a Noahide - but until now, did not really understand the implications of all of this...

                              Keep it coming - I am eating this stuff up.

                              And I think Debbie pointed out on another thread that the whole Kabbalist thing ties into this as Kabbalists are also into Noahide beliefs?? The guy who cursed Sharon was a Kabbalist, I recall??
                              The ceremony's organizers also include Rabbi Yosef Dayan from the West Bank settlement of Psagot, who was among the rabbis who had placed a pulsa denura on Rabin. After Rabin's assassination, Dayan was arrested for threatening to place a curse on Shimon Peres.
                              http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...ubContrassID=0

                              Rabbi Yosef Dayan from Psagot, known for his recent threats to place a death curse on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is said to be a leading candidate to become the "king of Israel."

                              "Dayan has the best lineage to King David," several members of the Sanhedrin told The Jerusalem Post. They say he has two documented ancient sources which draw a direct line between him and the males in his family to King David some 3,000 years ago.

                              http://www.his-forever.com/hear_ye_hear_ye.htm

                              Rabbi Yosef Dayan, said that if asked to hold a Pulsa Denura, a mystical Kabbalah ceremony aimed at putting a death curse on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, he would do so.

                              http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_reed/20040922.html

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                                Re: Sanhedrin to Hold Session With Worldwide Noahides Monday

                                Originally posted by Neggy

                                Where do you guys find this stuff??
                                Lots of researching for info. CNAV and I, spent a lot of time researching for info on the noahide laws after that first article came out about the sanhedrin/noahide laws.
                                Last edited by Debbie W.; 01-10-2006, 04:04 PM.

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