EU's big four back "multi-speed" Europe

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https://euobserver.com/news/137134

The four largest economies threw their weight behind a multi-speed Europe on Monday (6 March) as the European Union prepares for life after Brexit, with rising populism, and an uncertain US strategy over Europe.

The leaders of France, Germany, Italy and Spain met in the palace of Versailles to prepare for a 25 March EU summit in Rome, marking the 60th anniversary of the Treaty of Rome, which gave way for European integration.

German chancellor Angela Merkel, head of the EU's economic powerhouse, said leaders need to find the courage to forge ahead with integration despite opposition from others. Otherwise they risk the fate of the EU.

"We need to have the courage for some countries to go ahead if not everyone wants to participate. A Europe of different speeds is necessary, otherwise we will probably get stuck," Merkel said at a joint press conference.

French president Francois Hollande argued that "unity does not mean uniformity".

He called for new forms of cooperation to allow some member states to push ahead quickly in the area of defense and the eurozone, deepening of economic and monetary union, harmonising social policy and tax policy.

Other EU members could opt out of measures intended to deepen integration, Hollande added.

Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy and Italy's premier Paolo Gentiloni also supported the idea of a multi-speed Europe.

Reforming the block will be the topic at the 25 March Rome summit, as founding members such as the Netherlands, France and Germany all face crunch elections this year amid the rise of populist, anti-immigration, anti-EU, nationalistic parties.

Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg had supported the idea of a multi-speed Europe.

But some governments, especially in the bloc's eastern flank, fear this could entrench divisions to their disadvantage.

Could 10 countries emerge from this decision...just wondering?....10 kings?

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French president Francois Hollande argued that "unity does not mean uniformity".

While I personally agree with that thought, it is very interesting coming from a political leader in the context of Europe.

10 Kings? Years ago, many years ago, I thought, as did many bible prophecy teachers (which is where I got the idea) that the 10 kings represented 10 nations which were to be the European Union. But then that union passed 10 nations and eventually went on to be something like 28 nations. So there's been a lot of rethinking on the "10 kings." Many, including me, now believe that these 10 encompass the whole world .. the world being divided up into 10 regions.

One possibility (I do not know anything about this source. I'm only using it at this point, for the listing):

1.The United States of America (USA): The US, Canada, all Central American and Carribean states, most Atlantic islands (including Greenland and Iceland), most Pacific islands, Taiwan, Hainan, the Philippines and several now Indonesian islands, including Sulawesi. This was to be the dominant power in the world, military and otherwise.

2. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR): The Soviets were to be rewarded with Persia (Iran), Mongolia, Manchuria, Finland, and all of Eastern Europe, which subsequently would form part of the Eastern Bloc (excluding Albania, but including the real-life maverick state of Yugoslavia, socialist but anti-Soviet) . All of theses states were simply to become member-states of the USSR. Austria and most of Germany, although ‘quarantained’ are shown within the Soviet sphere.

3. The United States of South America (USSA): Including all South American states, with the three Guianas as a single constituent state and the Falkland Islands part of the USSA.

4. The Union of African Republics (UAR): All of Africa as a federation of republics.

5. The Arabian Federated Republics (AFR): Covering Saudi and all other states now occupying the Arabian Peninsula, plus present-day Iraq and Syria.

6. The Federated Republics of India (FRI): Present-day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Birma (Myanmar).

7. The United Republics of China (URC): A federation including all parts of present-day China, Korea, the erstwhile French colony of Indochina (now Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia), Thailand and Malaya.

8. The United States of Scandinavia (USS): Norway, Sweden, Denmark.

9. The United States of Europe (USE): The Benelux countries, the German Rhineland, France, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal and Italy.

10. The British Commonwealth of Nations (BCN): Including Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Madagascar and most of Indonesia.

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#10 above causes me to wonder if there is any connection to Brexit. ??

Issachar

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Hi Issachar,

I just happen to be in Daniel chapter 7 in my bible study right now. The church has been preaching on the Book of Daniel.

I still side with the 10 kings come out of the Old Roman Empire...


Why?

Daniel 7


7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

This little horn has always been thought to be the AC.

Daniel's vision parallels the empires of Nebuchadnezzar's statue in his dream..Babylon, Medes/Persia, Greece, and the Roman Empire, the fourth empire of Daniel's being the Roman Empire...Daniel tells us this fourth has horns....this also represents the 10 toes of King Nebuchadnezzar's statue. And they cross-reference to the 10 kings of the Book of Revelation.

Also, if you go to Revelation 13 the beast (AC) comes up out of the Sea. The Mediterranean Sea was surrounded by the Old Roman Empire. I believe Daniel's vision tells us the beast/little horn/AC) comes up out of one of these countries around the Mediterranean Sea/Old Roman Empire.

That is why I found the article post #1 interesting, wondering could 10 come out and go forth out of the present EU or MU.

Will watch and see.

The Pope is meeting with the EU members ahead of their March 25 meeting coming up.

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Adding a PS...

I have wondered from Revelation 13 if the first beast John saw coming up out of the Sea isn't from a country bordering the Mediterranean Sea, while the 2nd beast (FP) comes out of a land not bordering the Sea. (just thinking)

I have no doubt from Revelation 13 the whole world will be involved, but believe from Daniel the 10 kings come out of the Old Roman Empire.

From Revelation 13:11-18 we see it is the false prophet/2nd beast with horns like a lamb, but speaks like a dragon who causes everything in these verses...it is he who deceives everyone by signs and miracles and it is he who causes the image to he made, it is he who causes everyone to take the mark, it is he who causes the world to follow after the first beast (AC).....when reading these verses.

I found all this very interesting when looking at it a few years back, thinking wow...everyone expects it is the AC who causes this, but it is the 2nd beast, the one coming up out of the land. Again in Revelation 19 we see it is he who deceives the people who took the mark.

Causeth in Revelation 13 can simply mean to be the author of/cause of, so it could be he who presents a plan the AC picks up on and the world becomes involved in.

Strongs "causeth" Revelation 13

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...gs=G4160&t=KJV


I.to make

A.with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc.


B.to be the authors of, the cause


C.to make ready, to prepare


D.to produce, bear, shoot forth


E.to acquire, to provide a thing for one's self


F.to make a thing out of something


G.to (make i.e.) render one anything

i.to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that


ii.to (make i.e.) declare one anything



H.to put one forth, to lead him out


I.to make one do something

i.cause one to



J.to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about)


II.to do

A.to act rightly, do well

i.to carry out, to execute


B.to do a thing unto one

i.to do to one


C.with designation of time: to pass, spend


D.to celebrate, keep

i.to make ready, and so at the same time to institute, the celebration of the passover

E.to perform: to a promise



Lots to consider, watch for in the days ahead.

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Just a thought I had some years ago .. which could be way wrong of course.

IF the 10 kings are 10 regions of the world:

One of them would be the EU region, approximately, one would be the Mediterranean region and one would be North American region. Also .. seven others.

I believe the "other which came up" is the antichrist.

Daniel 7:
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

"Stout" is an interesting word: Strong's: captain, chief, great, lord, master, stout

So "the other which came up", comes up and "before whom three fell" .. the three being European Union, Mediterranean Union and North American Union.

Now a large part of, if not all of, the two former, comprised the first Roman Empire. The last (revived) Roman Empire is greater (more stout?) than the former.

What the U.S., Canada and Mexico (North America) are/is today, really comes from mostly Europe.

So under the ac, would be NAU, EU and MU. That would be the main (already are to a large extent) control center of the global economy and likely military, etc.

IF there is anything to this, I think it would mean a "one world order", ruled by 10 men (kings), each over their region and out of somewhere (spiritually driven and not good spirits either) rises up this horn that takes out three others.

Also, another reason for my thinking that the 10 kings are a global government:

Daniel 7:
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 

Notice the fourth beast; the fourth kingdom upon the earth (v.23) "shall be diverse from all kingdoms." Could it be diverse (different from?), partly at least, because it will encompass "the whole earth" whereas none of the others did that? And I do believe a global government will rule by force (many - most? - won't want it) "and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." There will be many that will be zombie like (my imagination as I've never seen a "zombie" movie ) and "go with the flow" and be 'friends' with the global government. But too, there will always be those that like to be independent, but won't be tolerated one iota.

Anyway .. just thinking outloude here ..

Issachar

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Even though it's been talked about much longer (over 200 years and the Europe and the U.S. have been at the heart of it), here are some recent (our lifetimes) world leaders (globalists) being quoted via their own mouth via video clips (I think Kissinger from 2:03 to 2:16 is especially interesting) :



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