Ford to scrap Mexico plant

[Guest]

Making America great again
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-policies.html

[Issachar]

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I think that there will be more of this. Many businesses have left the U.S., not primarily to get cheap labor, but to flee the large burden of U.S. government imposed taxes and regulations. I don't know if it will actually happen, at least to the degree stated, but at one point in the campaigning, Trump said he wanted to lower taxes on businesses from 35% (a real economic travesty) to 15% .. far more reasonable. Of course there are others business related matters he said too. So yes, I believe more businesses will stay and / or come back.

As I type this, Sekulow is talking about BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sactions - against Israel) and the UN's effort towards hurting Israel as it creates "a new blacklist of companies that support or do business with Israel in Judea, Samaria, and eastern Jerusalem." It'll be very interesting to see how all this works with Trump being so pro-Israel, many companies anti-Israel, but Trump making life easier for business. And, so much more entangled in all that ..

Issachar

[SAT]

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There is one thing that hits me.. now this is from the corporate view....
Wages. Wages can't keep going up. Trump has also stated he doesn't like "minimum wage". Something we have talked about before, and something I don't think people are thinking about. Corporate world knows they must get wages down.
The US can't maintain status if they only sell to themselves. They must be able to sell to other countries and keep the price down, even at home, to survive.

I'm not convinced people realize things can't keep going the way they did at one time.

[SAT]

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Now add...

Labour set to plunge to 140 seats at general election, Fabian Society warns

http://labourlist.org/2017/01/labour...society-warns/

If you do a search there are many articles either predicting the death or compromise needed.

http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...g-Sharia-state

[SAT]

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Also from corporate view...

The coal industry.... yes they can stay open... but for how long if the market is shrinking. And what wages could they realistically offer???

People want things to go back to the good old days, but I'm sure corporate world knows it can't.

As Jan Markell stated...

Things are not falling apart -- they are falling into place.

Globalisation needs to include people feeling left out: Lagarde

Supporters of globalisation need to develop new ways to promote open markets that rely on smaller trade deals and help people who are feeling left out, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde has said.

"I certainly hope there is not a move toward deglobalisation," Lagarde said Friday in an interview with Bloomberg News. "I equally think we have to move toward globalisation that has a different face, and which is not excluding people along the way."
In a wide-ranging interview touching on topics from women's issues to Brexit, Lagarde laid bare the challenges policy makers are facing in a world beset by sluggish growth and a groundswell in anti-trade sentiment. With the prospect of a global trade deal seeming like a distant hope, globalisation is "clearly taking a different form" than imagined, she said.
"A new framework has to be invented," she said. "I hope it can be proposed in a sufficiently attractive way that's compatible with regional or bilateral agreements."

http://www.afr.com/news/economy/mone...0161203-gt386q

http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...istine+Lagarde

All the ideologies are competing for influence of "Utopia"/"globalization"

[Issachar]

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ref. post #3

I'm not convinced people realize things can't keep going the way they did at one time.

They can't, aren't and won't.

The only way .. well .. what could ".. did at one time." mean?

There is only one way an economy can be genuinely healthy and continue on because of that health. But that way does not exist in the "world" and won't. That way would be God's way. All other ways fail. Some ways fail faster than others and some fail .. fade .. quietly and many ignominiously. But fail they must, apart from the ways of the Lord. With computers and cleverness, they can last longer than they should or normally could, but that too will end. Jesus is the Rock and any that stand upon the Rock, whether people or methods, will last. Anything not upon the Rock, will crash into the Rock, and the Rock isn't going to move.

ha ha .. this post just reminded me of that story of the ship and lighthouse:



.. moving on:

This whole Trump thing is merely a brief, partial reprieve from the headlong course the U.S. was on. The Final World Order agenda is not thwarted. Trump will not and can not change what truly ails the country/world; moral and spiritual. The increase in evil, spiritual practices, movies, books, video games, etc. will continue as will gay marriage, porn production and abortion. An example of "partial, brief reprieve" might be something like businesses not being forced to cater to/support lifestyles and activities that they disagree with. Perhaps neither will they be forced to provide insurance for abortions. It likely will not be banned, but not forced either.

Trump's opposition to the minimum wage laws is just sound economics .. or, a tiny step towards sound economics. There is much more that would have to be done, but it won't be. Not in this "world."

I don't care much (at all actually) for the repetitious elements of some of today's music, but what the following says is true and important. Listen to the first minute and 25 seconds and you have it all.



I've studied economics (because it touches just about everything in this life) for a few decades now from a philosophical and theoretical stance and I can honestly say in agreement with God's Word, there is no new thing under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 1:
8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. 
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

v.11 is the root of my post's tag line (and also a part of my training up my children): "Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun."

Issachar

[Issachar]

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ref. post #5

All the ideologies are competing for influence of "Utopia"/"globalization"

Yes. And an intense competition it is.

Issachar

[SAT]

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Question one post six

The impression I get???? People were really thinking they could go back in time. A time when the unions were able to weld some weight and wage increases.

Coal miners, if the statements are correct, were making 80,000 at a time when housing was a lot cheaper.

[SAT]

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But mostly, a time they felt secure.

[Guest]

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Corporate world knows they must get wages down

reminds me of a local radio host here that said that there should not be minimum wages...
that if people wanted to eat they would work for $4 an hour...

with whole families crammed into one room like in the 1870's ???........

all the while of course, himself getting way more than $100,000 at least...

[Issachar]

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ref. post #8

Coal miners, if the statements are correct, were making 80,000 at a time when housing was a lot cheaper.

Do you have a timeframe in mind? "housing was a lot cheaper" could be quite a range?

I think 88k figure might be a little high. Just one resource on that aspect, shows a "national (U.S.) average" of 49K.

But the details are not that important to the discussion (my opinion .. others might think they are - I respect that )

Two of your (SAT) comments caught my eye (hopefully this isn't too much of a rabbit trail from the thread):

1.) Post #8:

People were really thinking they could go back in time.

2.) post #9:

But mostly, a time they felt secure.

In the past I kind of wondered why "oldies" stations are so popular. A company can put one almost anywhere and it will be successful. I too admit to liking certain "old" songs .. they really aren't; like, we're talking just in the sixties here .. For various reasons, often when we hear an old song that we liked, it reminds us of certain good things and people and times and situations, etc. One day it dawned on me. When we were young, as in teenagers and even younger and somewhat past that, by default (in general .. always exceptions) life was simpler. Maybe we didn't know it at the time, but by the time we're married, raising children, buying a house, car, utilities, insurance, food, etc., those teen days were pretty darn simple. Electricity? It was just there when needed. Who even thought about the why and how? Same with heating in the winter, food for meals, clothing .. it was all there; we didn't have to think about it. That freed us up to think about "important" things like a certain girl, or guy, or whatever .. and that was punctuated with life's distractions such as school, homework, chores, etc. So, after many years of enduring much that life brings, "oldies" can bring back great memories of simpler times .. simpler for the kids, not the parents. The parents had to listen to their dreadful "oldies" to do the same thing. The uncertainties of life, especially raising children, makes us sometimes long for "a time we felt secure." (though at the time, we thought we weren't ) This is my take on why people often wish they could go back in time; that secure feeling.

When God created mankind, male and female created He them, He placed them in a garden that many today would refer to as utopia. That is innate deep down somewhere in mankind's longing because it had to have been a place of great peace and rest and love and relationships. So ever since, mankind has been trying to get back to the garden .. but his way. It won't work.

Issachar