How to stop Donald Trump

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Yes yes yes

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If you just think about the fact a confessed "Socialist" is openly running and doing better then one could have imagined, or even Trump.

Very unusual indeed. Not "just another election cycle" imho.

Obviously there is something going on.

Very true.

Always, problems of any sort, at their root, is sin/sin nature.

KEY:

The anger and the search people seem to be on to find the answer to their discontent.

(bold mine)

The no-new-thing-under-the-sun struggle down through the ages, is one of humans, apart from God, seeking contentment; seeking peace; seeking rest; seeking by another way, that which can only be known in relationship with the Father which can only be known in Christ, by grace - His gift to us, through faith.

Whether ruled by a dictator, king, prince, prime minister, president .. whether a democracy or a republic .. whether free market, socialism, communism .. whether secular, atheist, "religious", the struggle is the same .. to be content. Always over the past 6,000 years of earth's history, the conqueror becomes the conquered by a conqueror who becomes conquered .. and on and on .. no new thing.

Through my [limited] personal study of past civilizations, I have come to believe that all civilizations start for the same fundamental reason and die for the same basic reasons. They all deteriorate within and then, the conqueror conquers because of the already existing weakness brought on by inevitable moral decay.

The West, for decades now, has been allowing itself to rot. The degree of immorality in media and real life is is very prevalent.

For a kingdom to exist in that climate (talk about true climate change!) it must exercise increasing enforcement; it must become more and more totalitarian in it's effort to hold itself together. Ironically though, that same attempt accelerates the decay rate.

Issachar

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It isn't where they have been, or even so much where they are, but where are they going????

It challenged me to think. Obiviously there is something going on. If you just think about the fact a confessed "Socialist" is openly running and doing better then one could have imagined, or even Trump.

The anger and the search people seem to be on to find the answer to their discontent.

We know it is end times. We know what is coming isn't going to bypass us, but overshadow. So I stop and think. What does this say about where we are going in the west? Not the individual subjects of borders etc., but in the light of end times.

The constant comments about Americans seem to be looking for an "authoritarian" figure on both sides, and not a "compromiser".
Which is what the leadership of both parties seem to struggling with.

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Ouch!
Love the quote from "several intelligent Christian observers a good deal of us don't believe in God, but rather believe in America." @@ Really? How can that be when for a good 40 years we've been indoctrinated to accept we are the ugly Americans. We've been told by our elected (?) officials..whatever we once were we are no longer a Christian nation. The biggest difference I can see is the heart of individuals vs the core beliefs of the ruling class. Living in the Bible belt, the everyday folk I meet most of which are older, actually believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
We are just limited in our ability to converse on it in mixed multitides. :/
I have voted early and not listened to the force of media doing its best to influence me. I'm not voting for a church leader. There is no "just" leader available on this ballot. Still I vote.
Seems the world media outlets are quick to cast stones..too quick. Perhaps they have a hidden agenda? Maybe even they, (the disbelieving in the reporting media)are looking for the A/C..
If so, it's speaks to the late hour in the church age.
Even so, come Lord Jesus

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Thought some might find this wellllll, interesting. But if it is decided it needs to go that is all right by me.

Trump’s success shows many Americans believe only in America

It has long been presumed that America is more Christian than Europe. But it’s a myth. Of course, way more people go to church in America. And you can’t become president without holding up your floppy Bible and attending prayer breakfasts. But what the Donald Trump phenomenon reveals is what several intelligent Christian observers have been saying for some time: that a great many Americans don’t really believe in God. They just believe in America – which they often take to be the same thing. God was hacked by the American dream some time ago. “The evangelical church in America has, to a large extent, been co-opted by an American, religious version of the kingdom of the world. We have come to trust the power of the sword more than the power of the cross,” writes Gregory Boyd in The Myth of a Christian Nation.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nly-in-america

Likewise, the head of the US Presbyterian church into which Trump was baptised said: “Donald Trump’s views are not in keeping with the policies adopted by our church.”

Not in keeping is putting it mildly. It’s not even that he tries and fails. “Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?” he says. No, Trump doesn’t even begin to model Christ in his life. On the poor, on appealing to fear, on telling the truth, on sexual ethics, on (not) loving his enemies, on making greed his God, Trump models the anti-Christ.

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(A very)Little side note?

Iran's Rouhani criticizes 'revolutionary' opponents as rift widens

Why don't we seek people's comfort and our country's glory?" Rouhani said in a speech broadcast live on the state television.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...Name=worldNews

Social Democrat leaders press for EU drive on growth

The leaders of France and Italy led European Social Democrats on Saturday in calling for a batch of EU initiatives to revive economic growth, create jobs and restore hope to Europe's youth.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fr...Name=worldNews

Damascus rules out talks on presidency at peace talks

Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem confirmed his government's participation in UN-led talks but said they would fail if the opposition had "delusions that they will take power in Geneva that they failed to take in battle".


The government delegation would reject any attempt to include presidential elections on the agenda, he said

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Dam...e-talks-447674

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Hi Issachar

Actually I was referring to us, but really I have my doubts there were many who could have stood up at the fall of the USSR and stated there was a one world order behind it. They would have been branded a communist. Even though Gorbi hinted at the goal and even started his own think tank in the US based on it.
I doubt many would have believed the ultimate goal was to push Russia toward the Eurasian Union with the ideology of the new order.

I don't remember if anyone realized democracy would be the ideology that would build the owo.


There are many articles I could post but this one says a whole lot!

Trump without the hair? EU's migration policy gets rough

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...ZSAPEC3CXN3AGY


Once again I'm going to repeat myself...

"We have to make the effort to explain how we want to shape globalization in a fair way," Gabriel said.

From post 19.

There is a battle going on between to extreme ideologies. Trump verses Sanders but most in the US and the rest of the world are supporting the Third Way. A mix. A compromise.

It seems like everywhere you look from the greater middle east, Europe, Africa and the US, the battle is going on. The ideologies are taking their last stand.

Like in the greater middle east the violence will bring change.

"We have to make the effort to explain how we want to shape globalization in a fair way," Gabriel said.

Like I say, I've seen plenty of articles lately from European who realize Europe and the US are actually going through the same battle.

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ref. posts 28; 29; 30

Almost there .. (I do read these threads and consider them .. even wlnf's gog/magog one(s) )

So is "we" just the West in general?

Not sure because of post 28:

... we Christians couldn't imagine we were building it, ...

In the past, since so many in the West call themselves "Christians" we loosely, sorta kinda, referred to "cultural christianity" as "christian" with a lower case 'c' to differentiate between the cultural and truly born again.

There is an interesting turn happening in these last couple decades though in regard to that. Less and less folk are referring to themselves as "Christian" if they aren't actually born again .. i.e. the "cultural christian" population is shrinking. It's interesting to note, going back to 1948 on the table, how Roman Catholics have stayed in the 20ish percents vs. protestant continuously declining. Note: I don't believe that means RC is a good thing ..

Issachar

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lol Sorry, I really didn't mean to put everyone in the same basket.
Don't want to be to wordy.

They have been building the new order for a very long time. It was a fantasy, an idea, the "intellectuals" contemplated since the beginning.
Mere ideas started to become clear goals and declarations at the beginning of the UN.

We supported the spread of democracy. Sometimes through government aid and even at times, through ministries. We cheered, rightly so, with the fall of the USSR. The good news is that it allowed access to the people and the spread of the gospel. What we didn't realize??? the forces that be had been using every step to create their "Utopia" under the banner of charity, equality, peace and security.

Eventually, we know those "kings", heads of the unions we helped to create with the best intentions, will make their alliance to the AC/FP.

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ref. post 28

A bit puzzling .. need clarification? (you're not talking to the sharpest tool in the shed here, ya know? )

We some how thought it would all magically be built over night when he rose up.

I've been saying .. as have some others, that the one world order will be built, and probably very close to complete, before the great trib, so that when the ac steps up to his role, it'll already be there to control.

But I'm very unclear as to the meaning of Christians building it?

... we Christians couldn't imagine we were building it, or what we were building would be the building blocks the AC would step into and use.

. . . .

That doing the right thing, we were actually rebuilding the Tower of Babel, that the AC would be able to take over.

??

Issachar

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Very important point jmvho!
That said, we Christians couldn't imagine we were building it, or what we were building would be the building blocks the AC would step into and use.

We some how thought it would all magically be built over night when he rose up. That doing the right thing, we were actually rebuilding the Tower of Babel, that the AC would be able to take over.

Like the cloak of a sheep, there was a wolf underneath.

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Again, I find it ironic that all these movers and shakers are working so hard to circumvent the will of the people as expressed in the electoral process. Trump is not my candidate, but he is winning primary elections. People are voting and he is ahead. These attempts to override the will of those who voted and saw their candidate win is the very fuel that is driving more people to Trump who are fed up with politicians thumbing their noses at the American people.

I do get what you are saying.

"We have to make the effort to explain how we want to shape globalization in a fair way," Gabriel said.

It is in the same category of why President Bush kissed and held hands with the King of Saudi Arabia, even after 9/11. Totally perplexing Americans. (And now, years later, it seems it worked)

It is also why the candidates make grandiose statements about the trade deals, then backpedal in a softer tone later. If we just take the fact Republicans gave Obama....Obama..... what amounted to a free hand in doing these deals.

Ever notice they claim they could do a better job at the trade deals not that they would eliminate them. Reality is the US is the world leader but in the new order if the US wants to keep that position they will need to bend. They can't have one rule for America while forcing others to have the opposite rules. The US doesn't have absolute power to be dictator(Something that will happen but it is spiritual when the AC rises), if they want others to join and trust them with the rest of the formation. Which at this crucial point, with Russia and China fighting US/western ideology and plans, in preference for the failed shared power seen in the Security Council.

"We have to make the effort to explain how we want to shape globalization in a fair way," Gabriel said.

And there is the problem. If years ago they had stood up and said they were going to take some of the jobs away so the poor could eat and live in dignity..... On their belief that their children's children would live in Utopia.....although we did rally around the spread of democracy so others could live the life we shared. So we did agree, we just didn't realize the ending or all the sacrifices that would be required to lift others.

That building and being in control of the formation of the worldwide "rules of international laws" would have a price....

But I'm sure we will start to hear more openness as it is within a breathe of completion.

EU trade chief: U.S. campaign rhetoric won't stop TTIP trade talks

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-eu-...e-talks-2016-3

The US politicians know, but can't quite yet explain why they can't. The belief of the new order is that things will get better now as it is almost finished. And the politicians will be able to take the bows. (But this will not be true and "religion", FP and AC will be needed)

What people don't realize is that even when Reagan was president it had already started to go waaaay beyond the place of no return.

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These attempts to override the will of those who voted and saw their candidate win is the very fuel that is driving more people to Trump who are fed up with politicians thumbing their noses at the American people.

Speaking of irony .. the main thing that those opposed to Trump are saying is that he would be "dictator like." LOL ..

But, that would mean going against the will of the people. Tough to not laugh at these people.

Issachar

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Again, I find it ironic that all these movers and shakers are working so hard to circumvent the will of the people as expressed in the electoral process. Trump is not my candidate, but he is winning primary elections. People are voting and he is ahead. These attempts to override the will of those who voted and saw their candidate win is the very fuel that is driving more people to Trump who are fed up with politicians thumbing their noses at the American people.

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Foreign diplomats voicing alarm to U.S. officials about Trump

Officials from Europe, the Middle East, Latin America and Asia have complained in recent private conversations, mostly about the xenophobic nature of Trump's statements, said three U.S. officials, who all declined to be identified.

“European diplomats are constantly asking about Trump's rise with disbelief and, now, growing panic," said a senior NATO official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...ZSAPEC37O1O8W3