How to stop Donald Trump

[Issachar]

Re: How to stop Donald Trump

ref. posts 28; 29; 30

Almost there .. (I do read these threads and consider them .. even wlnf's gog/magog one(s) )

So is "we" just the West in general?

Not sure because of post 28:

... we Christians couldn't imagine we were building it, ...

In the past, since so many in the West call themselves "Christians" we loosely, sorta kinda, referred to "cultural christianity" as "christian" with a lower case 'c' to differentiate between the cultural and truly born again.

There is an interesting turn happening in these last couple decades though in regard to that. Less and less folk are referring to themselves as "Christian" if they aren't actually born again .. i.e. the "cultural christian" population is shrinking. It's interesting to note, going back to 1948 on the table, how Roman Catholics have stayed in the 20ish percents vs. protestant continuously declining. Note: I don't believe that means RC is a good thing ..

Issachar

[SAT]

Re: How to stop Donald Trump

Hi Issachar

Actually I was referring to us, but really I have my doubts there were many who could have stood up at the fall of the USSR and stated there was a one world order behind it. They would have been branded a communist. Even though Gorbi hinted at the goal and even started his own think tank in the US based on it.
I doubt many would have believed the ultimate goal was to push Russia toward the Eurasian Union with the ideology of the new order.

I don't remember if anyone realized democracy would be the ideology that would build the owo.


There are many articles I could post but this one says a whole lot!

Trump without the hair? EU's migration policy gets rough

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...ZSAPEC3CXN3AGY


Once again I'm going to repeat myself...

"We have to make the effort to explain how we want to shape globalization in a fair way," Gabriel said.

From post 19.

There is a battle going on between to extreme ideologies. Trump verses Sanders but most in the US and the rest of the world are supporting the Third Way. A mix. A compromise.

It seems like everywhere you look from the greater middle east, Europe, Africa and the US, the battle is going on. The ideologies are taking their last stand.

Like in the greater middle east the violence will bring change.

"We have to make the effort to explain how we want to shape globalization in a fair way," Gabriel said.

Like I say, I've seen plenty of articles lately from European who realize Europe and the US are actually going through the same battle.

[SAT]

Re: How to stop Donald Trump

(A very)Little side note?

Iran's Rouhani criticizes 'revolutionary' opponents as rift widens

Why don't we seek people's comfort and our country's glory?" Rouhani said in a speech broadcast live on the state television.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...Name=worldNews

Social Democrat leaders press for EU drive on growth

The leaders of France and Italy led European Social Democrats on Saturday in calling for a batch of EU initiatives to revive economic growth, create jobs and restore hope to Europe's youth.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fr...Name=worldNews

Damascus rules out talks on presidency at peace talks

Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem confirmed his government's participation in UN-led talks but said they would fail if the opposition had "delusions that they will take power in Geneva that they failed to take in battle".


The government delegation would reject any attempt to include presidential elections on the agenda, he said

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Dam...e-talks-447674

[SAT]

Re: How to stop Donald Trump

Thought some might find this wellllll, interesting. But if it is decided it needs to go that is all right by me.

Trump’s success shows many Americans believe only in America

It has long been presumed that America is more Christian than Europe. But it’s a myth. Of course, way more people go to church in America. And you can’t become president without holding up your floppy Bible and attending prayer breakfasts. But what the Donald Trump phenomenon reveals is what several intelligent Christian observers have been saying for some time: that a great many Americans don’t really believe in God. They just believe in America – which they often take to be the same thing. God was hacked by the American dream some time ago. “The evangelical church in America has, to a large extent, been co-opted by an American, religious version of the kingdom of the world. We have come to trust the power of the sword more than the power of the cross,” writes Gregory Boyd in The Myth of a Christian Nation.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nly-in-america

Likewise, the head of the US Presbyterian church into which Trump was baptised said: “Donald Trump’s views are not in keeping with the policies adopted by our church.”

Not in keeping is putting it mildly. It’s not even that he tries and fails. “Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?” he says. No, Trump doesn’t even begin to model Christ in his life. On the poor, on appealing to fear, on telling the truth, on sexual ethics, on (not) loving his enemies, on making greed his God, Trump models the anti-Christ.

[Guest]

Re: How to stop Donald Trump

Ouch!
Love the quote from "several intelligent Christian observers a good deal of us don't believe in God, but rather believe in America." @@ Really? How can that be when for a good 40 years we've been indoctrinated to accept we are the ugly Americans. We've been told by our elected (?) officials..whatever we once were we are no longer a Christian nation. The biggest difference I can see is the heart of individuals vs the core beliefs of the ruling class. Living in the Bible belt, the everyday folk I meet most of which are older, actually believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
We are just limited in our ability to converse on it in mixed multitides. :/
I have voted early and not listened to the force of media doing its best to influence me. I'm not voting for a church leader. There is no "just" leader available on this ballot. Still I vote.
Seems the world media outlets are quick to cast stones..too quick. Perhaps they have a hidden agenda? Maybe even they, (the disbelieving in the reporting media)are looking for the A/C..
If so, it's speaks to the late hour in the church age.
Even so, come Lord Jesus

[SAT]

Re: How to stop Donald Trump

It isn't where they have been, or even so much where they are, but where are they going????

It challenged me to think. Obiviously there is something going on. If you just think about the fact a confessed "Socialist" is openly running and doing better then one could have imagined, or even Trump.

The anger and the search people seem to be on to find the answer to their discontent.

We know it is end times. We know what is coming isn't going to bypass us, but overshadow. So I stop and think. What does this say about where we are going in the west? Not the individual subjects of borders etc., but in the light of end times.

The constant comments about Americans seem to be looking for an "authoritarian" figure on both sides, and not a "compromiser".
Which is what the leadership of both parties seem to struggling with.

[Issachar]

Re: How to stop Donald Trump

If you just think about the fact a confessed "Socialist" is openly running and doing better then one could have imagined, or even Trump.

Very unusual indeed. Not "just another election cycle" imho.

Obviously there is something going on.

Very true.

Always, problems of any sort, at their root, is sin/sin nature.

KEY:

The anger and the search people seem to be on to find the answer to their discontent.

(bold mine)

The no-new-thing-under-the-sun struggle down through the ages, is one of humans, apart from God, seeking contentment; seeking peace; seeking rest; seeking by another way, that which can only be known in relationship with the Father which can only be known in Christ, by grace - His gift to us, through faith.

Whether ruled by a dictator, king, prince, prime minister, president .. whether a democracy or a republic .. whether free market, socialism, communism .. whether secular, atheist, "religious", the struggle is the same .. to be content. Always over the past 6,000 years of earth's history, the conqueror becomes the conquered by a conqueror who becomes conquered .. and on and on .. no new thing.

Through my [limited] personal study of past civilizations, I have come to believe that all civilizations start for the same fundamental reason and die for the same basic reasons. They all deteriorate within and then, the conqueror conquers because of the already existing weakness brought on by inevitable moral decay.

The West, for decades now, has been allowing itself to rot. The degree of immorality in media and real life is is very prevalent.

For a kingdom to exist in that climate (talk about true climate change!) it must exercise increasing enforcement; it must become more and more totalitarian in it's effort to hold itself together. Ironically though, that same attempt accelerates the decay rate.

Issachar

[SAT]

Re: How to stop Donald Trump

Yes yes yes