Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible

[Christian Soldier]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...811332,00.html

The hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.


The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”

As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.

Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb.

The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come.”

[Guest]

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Hi Leo,

I am hearing this many times now in Protestant circles too. With all the Bible tranlations so many times I have heard..no one version has has the whole Truth, there are errors in them all. I honestly get nauseated and can't believe the things I am hearing these days that you would NEVER hear before...I say "LORD forgive us".

[Andy]

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So I guess if something doesn't fit my way of thinking then I can discard it as alagorical.

2 Tim 3:16*Every scripture is divinely inspired, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; 17*that the man of God may be complete, fully fitted to every good work.

Darby, J. N. 1996. The Holy Scriptures : A new translation from the original languages . Logos Research Systems: Oak Harbor

[wendyj]

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Last days Jude 4

[Christian Soldier]

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Hi Leo,

I am hearing this many times now in Protestant circles too. With all the Bible tranlations so many times I have heard..no one version has has the whole Truth, there are errors in them all. I honestly get nauseated and can't believe the things I am hearing these days that you would NEVER hear before...I say "LORD forgive us".

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1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

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Leo says: Hi to you too, R&W. Departure from the truth is a prime indicator that we're indeed living in the last days prior to Jesus's 2nd coming to Earth. One by one, the religious apostates are throwing off their blanket of pretense and coming out boldly with their proclaimation that the Holy Bible isn't 100% from God. Essentially, they're calling God a liar. Human philosophy has replaced the clear Word of God. The daughters (some Protestants) have joined the mother church (RCC) in publicly dissing God's Word as unreliable and untruthful in part.

[Guest]

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Human philosophy has replaced the clear Word of God. The daughters (some Protestants) have joined the mother church (RCC) in publicly dissing God's Word as unreliable and untruthful in part.

I agree, philosophy and debate are big problems today.....we are warned to beware

Colossians 2:8
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

[N1095A]

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She's not the mother church anyways (since that concept doesn't exist either). It's traced to Constantine. When the printing press enabled it to be put in English, German and other *non-dead* languages, or languages that were barely known in Europe, the Truth was set free in Scripture.

William Tyndale (after which the Tyndale Bible was named) translated the Scriptures into German and English (and sent them around Europe hidden in sacks of flour). By **papal decree** he was killed for it; strangled and burned at the stake in 1536.

How's that for "papal authority"? Indeed. Behold the acts of the beast that killed for the crime of translating the Bible into English.

http://www.williamtyndale.com/

[sojourner52]

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genesis ch. 3 - the serpent questioned the Word of God - "hath God said...?" then when Eve quoted God she misquoted Him by adding to what He had commanded ("neither shall ye touch it") - then the serpent was able to convince her that God's Word was questionable.

[Guest]

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You may not have seen the previous post a few weeks ago on this same topic. I will repost my response from then. The bishops that are writing this are not speaking for the true Catholic Church. The following is the stance from the Pope on the matter of the Bible. This is how some of the confusions of the beliefs of the Catholic Church get started.

Here's the standing of the Catholic Church on this matter...not the standing of any renegade bishops that might be out there...


http://www.spiritdaily.com/popebible.htm

POPE HIT THE MARK: AT ROOT OF CATHOLIC PROBLEMS IS LACK OF BIBLICAL SPIRITUALITY
He could not have hit it more squarely on the head. Pope Benedict XVI, toiling quietly, with little of the visibility enjoyed by his predecessor, nonetheless was giving hints that he is doing what he always has, what he is used to doing, what he did for a quarter of a century as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: working behind the scenes to hold the world's most important institution together, and he is starting where it must start, where it needs to start, where so many of the problems reside: with the Bible.
A few weeks ago, in a major pronouncement (albeit one underreported in by the Christian media), he said, "Assiduous reading of sacred Scripture accompanied by prayer makes that intimate dialogue possible in which, through reading, one hears God speaking, and through prayer, one responds with a confident opening of the heart. If this practice is promoted with efficacy, I am convinced that it will produce a new spiritual springtime in the Church" [our italics].
Above all, he was saying, we must remember Scripture.
Added the Pope, in speaking about Europe, "many Christian things occur, but there is also a great fatigue, and we are so concerned with structural questions that the zest and the joy of faith are missing."
As he prepared for Youth Day last August, Benedict XVI loudly rejected the idea of Christianity as a religion of rules and prohibitions and said he hoped to use his trip to spur "a wave of new faith" -- the type of faith that brings results, displays miracles, and springs forth from the Bible."
Let us add that the root of crisis in the Church is how little the Bible is heeded and how much worldliness has infiltrated. Too often, we compromise with society and its trends (its politics, its fashions) because we want to be "with it." We also confuse the word "religious" with "spiritual."
Religion is supposed to lead to spirituality. Frequently, it does not. It is the best way to obtain spirituality -- the narrowest gate -- but too often it leads only leads to religiosity (and a reverence for the codes of man instead of those of God).
The remedy is the book it is all based on. The Church is in desperate need of biblical spirituality. Biblical spirituality is living a life modeled after those set forth as historical examples. It is feeling the grace that flows from the pages. We have plenty of theology. We have enough canon laws. What we need now is familiarity with that remarkable book and the knowing that it is of true supernatural origin.
Reading the Bible on a regular basis allows us to feel the actual move of the Holy Spirit -- to reach God through our hearts instead of through our self-important thoughts.
The Pope's words mimic those of saints like Therese the Little Flower -- who once said that "above all it's the Gospels that occupy my mind when I'm at prayer; my poor soul has so many needs, and yet this is the one thing needful. I'm always finding fresh lights there, hidden and enthralling meanings."
What happened at our seminaries? The Bible was pushed away as ancient literature (and even mythology) and Catholics have now seen the result. Show us a skeptic (one who does not believe in healing or exorcism or prophecy), and we'll show you someone who does not read Scripture.
We have become too secularized and too busy reading complex theology -- the ideas of others about the Bible, or about the ideas of previous theologians about the Bible -- instead of the Bible itself. We formulate complex ideas to impress others.
In other words, we get so wrapped up in the words of man that we forget the Word of God -- which encourages us to exercise spiritual gifts and to believe in the simple movement of Him everywhere (including in current events). When we read Scripture, we understand more about current events than if we read the newspaper.
A Church that is not prophetic, that is not Bible-based, is not a Christian one. It is the very foundation for our precious sacraments!
Call it "aridity" : there is a great spiritual vacancy in the intellectualized Western Church and from the vacancy has erupted scandal.
Unlike other written works, the Bible is alive and of endless fascination for those who come to know its actual power. It informs every day. It relates to different things at different times. It pertains to every circumstance. As Saint Therese said, it has a hidden nature that can be enthralling.
And it tells us what Christians are supposed to do: pray with a living faith, cast out demons, heal, spread the Word, love, give. During the disaster of Katrina the worldly institutions fell while the spiritual ones -- the churches, the charities -- picked up the pieces.
It is in the Bible that we find the richness of wisdom. It is in the Bible that we feel the Holy Spirit.
God will speak to you there.
Need an answer? Remarkably and often miraculously, it's in the testaments.

[Guest]

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From Fiddler's article...

Above all, he was saying, we must remember Scripture.

He is right...but...he is not heeding Scripture himself

He still allows people to greet him as the Holy Father...when the Scripture says call "no man" your father.

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. (There is ONE Holy Father, and His throne is in heaven and not in Rome...Scripture declares this as Truth)

He still blesses idols...most recently of the Opus 'Dei founder....i.e. man made graven images of man made by man...when the Scrpture tells us to make no graven image of anything in heaven, in the earth or in the water under the earth"..and not only that he asks God Himself to bless a graven image...see verse that follows..
http://www.opusdei.org/art.php?w=32&p=10977

During the ceremony, the Pope recited this prayer: "O God, who have chosen St. Josemaría priest to proclaim the universal vocation to holiness and the apostolate in the Church, bless this image and let all those who contemplate it be encouraged to fulfill faithfully their daily work in the spirit of Christ and to serve with ardent love the work of redemption. Through Christ our Lord."

Exodus 20
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

And he is still proposing "making" men saints...he does not have that ability the Scripture refers to believers as saints there are no "man-made" saints...to name a few examples.

Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

These examples alone show that the Pope himself is not heeding Scripture no matter what the article may say.


Colossians 2:8

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

[Guest]

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http://www.answers.com/topic/blasphemy

Definition blasphemy

1. A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.
2. The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God.
3. An irreverent or impious act, attitude, or utterance in regard to something considered inviolable or sacrosanct.

[Christian Soldier]

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From Fiddler's article...



He is right...but...he is not heeding Scripture himself

He still allows people to greet him as the Holy Father...when the Scripture says call "no man" your father.

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. (There is ONE Holy Father, and His throne is in heaven and not in Rome...Scripture declares this as Truth)

He still blesses idols...most recently of the Opus 'Dei founder....i.e. man made graven images of man made by man...when the Scrpture tells us to make no graven image of anything in heaven, in the earth or in the water under the earth"..and not only that he asks God Himself to bless a graven image...see verse that follows..
http://www.opusdei.org/art.php?w=32&p=10977



Exodus 20
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

And he is still proposing "making" men saints...he does not have that ability the Scripture refers to believers as saints there are no "man-made" saints...to name a few examples.

Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

These examples alone show that the Pope himself is not heeding Scripture no matter what the article may say.


Colossians 2:8

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

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Leo says: I challenge Pope Benedict to publicly tell his millions of followers to stop addressing him as Holy Father, tear down all vestiges of graven images, stop doing penance, stop telling them that the RCC is the only way of salvation, cease from praying to Mary, St. Luke, etc. Let his words be parlayed into concrete actions that are congruent with the inerrant Holy Bible.

[Shelby]

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This is a big surprise to anyone?????

The Catholic church, IMHO, has done nothing but tear down real Christianity to promote their evil plan. If this is offensive to anybody here, sorry. Yes, there have been some true conversions in the Catholic church, because their bible does have the way of salvation in it; but ,for the most part, over all these centuries, the RC church is the baddest of them all.

[fmcginn]

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I thought swearing was a sin...? I might get ignored on this one..?


James 5:12
But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

Or is this a different kind of swear in James?
Thank,
Felicia

[Christian Soldier]

Definitions of "swear"

I thought swearing was a sin...? I might get ignored on this one..?


James 5:12
But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

Or is this a different kind of swear in James?
Thank,
Felicia

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Definitions of swear on the Web:

curse: utter obscenities or profanities; "The drunken men were cursing loudly in the street"
affirm: to declare or affirm solemnly and formally as true; "Before God I swear I am innocent"
promise solemnly; take an oath
make a deposition; declare under oath
trust: have confidence or faith in; "We can trust in God"; "Rely on your friends"; "bank on your good education"; "I swear by my grandmother's recipes"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Swearing originally meant making an oath, and this usage is still used today in official and legal contexts. A court witness will have to swear to tell the truth etc. Very often this swearing is by God, or things considered holy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swear

Ngiyafunga (Z) First and second fingers are crossed and point upwards.
http://www.aaanet.org/sla/jla/brooke...ary/r_to_s.htm

To swear is to agree to tell the truth under the oath of the court. Intentionally failing to do so while under oath is perjury.
www.attorneykennugent.com/library/s.html