All Eyes Need To Be On Israel - Massive Cyberattacks killing/wounding Hezbollah

[Andy]

All indications are that Israel is going to (finally) ignore US pressure and really hit Iran...and very soon.
Also found out today that their military sites DID get hit by the ballistic missiles but did very little damage.
So - what now is the pathetic excuse the world is using to tell Israel not to respond to a nation that has successfully launched missiles that DID hit their military bases?

I can't help but wonder if the IDF intentionally let those hit since they knew long before they came in that the damage would be minimal.

[Doug Fowler]

That could be. I know everyone is starting to talk about this.

My best friend from college trusted Christ as his savior five years ago, at age 50, being a huge intellectual he saw my faith and finally believed himself. But he tends to be a very deep thinker and immerses himself in something he is fascinated in, rather than accepting the simple things of faith, though he has become very good at prayer, probably his strongest suit as a believer. As an example, the first book that we studied through after he became a believer was a phone study with him, is now wife and then girlfriend, and myself through CS Lewis's "Mere christianity." That is one very deep book!

anyway it has always been best to let him bring things up and simply plant seeds when I could. So the other day, he started a discussion with me about what I thought Israel would do with iran. We had a very deep dive into it, examining every aspect in the pros and cons of each decision.

anyway, he agrees that the nuclear sites would be the most logical but that they are probably also the most heavily guarded and it seemed to both of us that Israel would want to minimize losses, especially because Iran could capture any down mechanical thing.

but in the end, it seemed a lot more logical than oil, because the oil infrastructure would cause the world's opinion to turn against Israel, and some of the other things such as the Iranian leadership might also bring people against them, although we discussed how it was interesting that some Iranian people might cheer them on, although not nearly like some have cheered Nazrallah's death. However, is he pointed out, someone even worse could rise up in their place.

He also mentioned drone factories, I'm not sure if they can do that as efficiently or not.

However, one thing also that shows his growth as a believer, I shared with him about Ezekiel 38 and the country's prophesied to attack Israel and he said it made a lot of sense because he could see Putin trying that. The one he's not sure about is Turkey, although I think he was talking about turkey more as a liter of such a coalition rather than Russia.

anyway, as we concluded, Israel doesn't have any easy options but they are definitely going to do something and while the Drone factories make sense, if Israel can get to the nuclear sites, then it would be very likely. It's just a matter of making sure that there is no way Iran can capture any downed equipment and reverse engineer it.

[Andy]

Ez 38 is such a fascinating passage.
The peace that is described in v11 - talk about something having to MASSIVELY change.
Also, I get the sense from v8 that this huge league of nations is not going to get very far. I tend to think God is going to stop them on the mountains of Israel - their slaughter will happen before they even get into the land. And when you see what God is going to send them, that makes sense to me. The "overflowing rain, great hailstones, fire, brimstone" (v20) - God would not want all that hitting His land. No, I think this will happen ON the mountains - for all to see.

Dr. Andy Wood (who I highly respect) believes Ez 38 and 39 are two different wars and times...I absolutely agree with this. I'm pretty sure Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum (another one I highly respect) also does.

[Issachar]

So - what now is the pathetic excuse the world is using to tell Israel not to respond to a nation that has successfully launched missiles that DID hit their military bases?

I'm kind of thinking "the world" no longer makes excuses for what they say and do. Truth rapidly increasingly, means nothing to them. Only what is expedient for the moment. They just say and do. If you like it, great. Then they like you. If you rather like truth, then that is bad. Then they don't like you/us.

John 3:
18 He that believes on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that does evil hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Colossians 1:
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Issachar

[Doug Fowler]

I hadn't thought about Ezekiel 38 and 39 is two separate wars. I will have to look at that.

[Andy]

I could be COMPLETELY wrong about Dr. Woods - let's all watch this and learn together if I'm remembering correctly.

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I posted a vid but it doesn't look like he deals with the question.
I'll keep digging.

I just remember it making TOTAL sense to me - Ez 38 is near, Ez 39 is at the end of the Tribulation.

[Andy]

I hadn't thought about Ezekiel 38 and 39 is two separate wars. I will have to look at that.

Okay, I finally found it.

He also has a "playlist" on his channel (Dr. Woods) entitled, "Middle East Meltdown" there are 31 episodes total.

Here's the link to that playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...KfIAdwcgHz-irF

[Doug Fowler]

Thanks , I will have to give it a listen tonight.

[Andy]

Doug, et al - he starts his explanation at 31:14 and man, is it fascinating.

The entire vid is, but this is so good.

The late Dr. Harold Horner (Dallas Theological Seminary) is who taught Dr. Woods this doctrine on Ezekiel (not just 38/39).
I'm putting that in for reference.

[Andy]

I've been digging into the best historical sites I can find (granted, I'm no scholarly researcher) and none of the sites and records I've found corroborate Dr. Woods that Damascus was utterly destroyed by the Assyrians. Yes, Tiglath-Pileser III destroyed the kingdom of Aram-Damascus, but no records I could find substantiate any destruction of the city itself. It's been defeated and many different powers have ruled over it but that's obviously not the same as destroying the city, laying it to a "heap of ruin".