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    Pope Francis has called on world leaders to end the "cult of money" and to do more for the poor, in his first major speech on the financial crisis.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22551125

  • #2
    Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

    I wonder if this will come up...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/...5662VM20090707
    Pope Benedict called on Tuesday for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.

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    • #3
      Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

      The quote that hits me...

      "The conviction that the economy must be autonomous, that it must be shielded from 'influences' of a moral character, has led man to abuse the economic process in a thoroughly destructive way," he said.

      "In the long term, these convictions have led to economic, social and political systems that trample upon personal and social freedom and are therefore unable to deliver the justice that they promise," he added.

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      • #4
        Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

        http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/0...94F0J720130516

        Pope Francis issued a strong call for world financial reform on Thursday, condemning a heartless "dictatorship of the economy" and saying the economic crisis had made life worse for millions in rich and poor countries

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        • #5
          Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

          Germany's Merkel visits Pope, urges tougher market controls

          http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94H07820130518


          Merkel, the daughter of a Lutheran minister, said she and Francis had spoken mainly about globalization, the European Union and the role of Europe in the world.

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          • #6
            Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

            And they have already made progress...
            http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=41443

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            • #7
              Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

              Revolution theology ?
              demonize the hardworking people that create wealth, demand that everything they struggled to create be "shared" read nationalized stolen.......

              I might ask this Pope what about the enormous wealth the Roman church has taken from people by extortion through the centuries by teaching that they would go to hell if they refused the Popes' demands?

              remember that movie where the new pope ( Anthiny Quinn) committed all the Roman churches wealth to feed the poor?

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              • #8
                Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

                Was it this one Lewis? Trailer:



                Issachar
                The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                • #9
                  Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

                  From Debbie's link in post #1:

                  Free market economics had created a tyranny, in which people were valued only by their ability to consume, the pontiff told diplomats in the Vatican.

                  "Money has to serve, not to rule," he said, urging ethical financial reforms.
                  His first sentence? Totally wrong premise. I am surprised. Second sentence? Very true.

                  And then he says:

                  Pope Francis said life had become worse for people in both rich and poor countries, the BBC's David Willey in Rome reports.
                  The "worse for people" isn't due to financial policy; it is due to the sinfulness of man which affects (greatly), financial policy. People that care about the poor, need to (if Christian) lay the axe to the root, not the branches.

                  "I would like a Church that is poor and is for the poor," he said following his election as head of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics two months ago.
                  If by "a church that is poor", he means, economically, then he needs to realize something .. something scriptural: The "church" doesn't need to be poor because if it is, it can't do much to help the poor. Being poor in spirit .. now that is a good thing. One can be extremely wealthy .. but humble. What does one do with the wealth .. that is what matters. I quoted the pope just above .. "money has to serve, not rule."

                  The pontiff said he had chosen the name Francis in a direct reference to St Francis of Assisi, the Italian founder of the Franciscan Order who was devoted to the poor.
                  I believe, as Christians, we need to be devoted to God, which will result in doing for the lost. There are plenty of "poor" in the world that would just as soon kill someone to get what others have. Too .. giving the poor food and shelter, while good in many cases for a short interim, is destructive long term. If those that have wealth (and wisdom) provide means for the poor to provide for themselves, you're strengthening the hand of the poor.

                  Issachar
                  The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                  Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                  I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                  Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

                    Pope Francis warned the Catholic Church to not close in on itself at a Mass to mark Pentecost Sunday attended by more than 200,000 people, urging the faithful to be open and present in a new and changing world.

                    The Church should ask itself daily whether it is resisting new challenges and remaining "barricaded in transient structures which have lost their capacity for openness to what is new," he said.

                    "Newness always makes us a bit fearful, because we feel more secure if we have everything under control," Francis said in his homily in front of a packed St. Peter's Square, adding that change can bring fulfillment.
                    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94I06X20130519

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

                      heh-heh .. sounds like he's gone "emergent." Those are their words.

                      Issachar
                      The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                      Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                      I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                      Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

                        Originally posted by cnav View Post
                        This link is from July 2007. I thought we were discussing a different man here. Sorry but it is confusing.

                        My take on this is that it is high time someone identified with the Church, in the universal sense, said something about the love and misuse of money. I, for one, am sick to death of seeing churches continue to raise millions to erect new buildings, while children are going hungry, elderly people are going hungry.
                        I loved the movie In the Shoes of the Fisherman. I saw it again recently on TMC. What strikes me is this: if the people who call themselves by the name of Jesus Christ, really really wanted to, we could solve some of these problems. A whole lot of people might need to downsize their houses, give up the 100k cars, etc. but it could be done.
                        I personally find absolutely no fault in this. Jesus was very clear when he said that "whatever you have done to the least of these, you have done unto me." I take that very very seriously.
                        Last edited by Glorify Him; 05-19-2013, 04:58 PM. Reason: additional info

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

                          The link above is from 2009 GH and one of the most shocking articles I have read in a long time with prophetic implications....a spiritual (world leader) calling for a global leader over the world's financial system. And I don't think it such a stretch to still be on the table.


                          I don't disagree about what Pope Francis is saying when it comes to the poor and money, much of what he is saying sounds so good. We will see where it all goes.
                          Last edited by cnav; 05-19-2013, 05:14 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

                            Originally posted by Glorify Him View Post
                            This link is from July 2007. I thought we were discussing a different man here. Sorry but it is confusing.

                            My take on this is that it is high time someone identified with the Church, in the universal sense, said something about the love and misuse of money. I, for one, am sick to death of seeing churches continue to raise millions to erect new buildings, while children are going hungry, elderly people are going hungry.
                            I loved the movie In the Shoes of the Fisherman. I saw it again recently on TMC. What strikes me is this: if the people who call themselves by the name of Jesus Christ, really really wanted to, we could solve some of these problems. A whole lot of people might need to downsize their houses, give up the 100k cars, etc. but it could be done.
                            I personally find absolutely no fault in this. Jesus was very clear when he said that "whatever you have done to the least of these, you have done unto me." I take that very very seriously.
                            Hi GH
                            I don't know if you will remember but over the years many of us have stated pretty much what you have stated. I do understand the heart and get it.
                            The problem? It is the ideology of the OWO and the OWR who are encouraging and teaching this message. End times and all that stuff.

                            A wolf in sheep's clothing.
                            Even the elect could be deceived if it were possible.

                            I'm sure people probably get tired of my repeating myself but no one in the Bible said it would be easy or obvious it was Satan. Satan learned much about man over these many many years.

                            But JMVH observations and opinion
                            Last edited by SAT; 05-19-2013, 05:57 PM.

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                              Re: Pope Francis hits out at global 'cult of money'

                              I hope everyone understands what I'm about to say so here it goes...

                              Example??? Read this wonderful article

                              Canada and Israel — best friends forever?
                              http://www.timesofisrael.com/canada-...iends-forever/

                              It sounds like every follower of Christ dream. I hear Christian commentators rave about Canada all the time. How Canada is such a wonderful friend to Israel.
                              The problem? Canada is up to it's ears in the OWO and the OWR. Basell III was written by Canada within the G20.
                              All roads???? Oh yeah that is the mantra. We also approve gay behavior under the banner of human rights.
                              And yes we are also actively promoting the division of Israel. How can we do that? It is all the position of the OWO and the OWR.
                              Last edited by SAT; 05-19-2013, 06:57 PM.

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