You're On Your Own

[Issachar]

I thought this was interesting. Some of the text goes pretty fast so you might want to keep your mouse over the pause button ...



Issachar

[Guest]

Re: You're On Your Own

I don't quite understand what the core issue is for this emotional battle for gun rights in the US. This video seems to be all about protecting ones family and property from criminals. Yet I thought the constitution was written for the protection of the citizens against rogue governments. Am I wrong, or is it about both? What are Americans afraid of, the criminal element or the government?

How many people on this site actually have an assault weapon to protect themselves with? How many have even held a gun or used one for anything other than hunting? No one up here in Canada that I know have guns to protect them from criminals. Nor have we ever considered getting one. But I feel no more afraid than I ever have about how long it would take to get help from the police. I guess as a believer, I trust thT Jesus is my cover and shield and I sleep soundly knowing that. Am I stupid to trust that or should I be afraid thT since I don't have a gun I am a sitting duck? These are questions I have never really consider before all this gun control talk started on every US website and news outlet.

However, if you are more concerned about a rogue government, such. Enone you have now, I can see why you are uptight about having gun control. But why post videos about criminals in order to prove your point?

There is no such thing as a dumb question if you actually need an answer. I am confused

[Boston]

Re: You're On Your Own

While it’s true that the issue is preservation of freedom against a tyrannical government, the main idea, which is why I call the US 2nd a human right, is self-defense.

God gave animals teeth and claws, we use tools. To not allow a human the tool to preserve his own well-being is the same as de-clawing and de-toothing an animal and then sending them out in the wild.

Yes God sees and cares about every sparrow as it is written, but that would not stop us from declaring that it’s an evil thing to do to the creature ( to render it defensless in a harsh enviroment ).

[Guest]

Re: You're On Your Own

Sandylion,

I'm no expert on the subject but I'll venture an answer from my own thoughts. It is an emotional topic as evidenced by all the coverage it has received. I think you see it viewed from many angles because different people are weighing in, each from their own persepective. Here are a few examples from the pro-gun-rights point of view.
1. purely constitutional
This is a fundamental perspective. By design, the constitution is supposed
to be the defining document for what government can and cannot do.
It guarantees certain rights and affirms that our rights come from God,
not from government. When the constitution is successfully set aside on
one issue it weakens the whole and and exposes us to tyranny.
2. self protection
this one is self-evident and the approach taken by the maker of the video.
At issue is whether or not gun laws do anything at all to disarm those who
are already predisposed to break the law. The end result of stricter gun
laws is that law abiding citizens are disarmed, putting them at a greater
disadvantage against criminals.
3. protection against a rogue goverment
There is strong evidence that this is the very reason the 2nd amendment
was added to the constitution. The framers of the constitution were all too
familiar with the dangers of an all powerful government. Those who
oppose gun control from this perspective are quick to point out that
disarming the public has always been the first priority for tyrants
i.e. A. Hitler. The current administration has already demonstrated a
desire for greater and greater govt power to dictate the minute details of
how we live our lives.

The bottom line is that there are a lot of people voicing their opinions and just as many reasons why those opinions are held. In fairness, many of those who favor gun control do so in the sincere belief that the result will be a safer society with fewer gun related deaths. I'm reminded of a quote that goes something like this "those who forfeit their liberty to obtain safety will in the end have neither."

[Issachar]

Re: You're On Your Own

I rest very well Sandylion in the arms or our Lord and Savior, Jesus. I am not afraid.

I don't know about Canada or it's rules concerning guns. In the U.S., I lock my doors if leaving the house. But I trust in the Lord. If I go into a store, I lock my car. But I trust in the Lord. In my house, I have smoke alarms and a couple fire extinguishers. But I trust in the Lord. If another vehicle slides towards me on ice, I take evasive action. But I trust in the Lord.

If I am asleep and awakened in the night by the sound of a window opening, or glass breaking or the door opening and my wife is asleep beside me and my daughter is asleep in her room and I'm not expecting anyone, I WILL get up and check it out. But I trust in the Lord. If it is a burglar, the fact that he/she came into my house, uninvited, makes them a threat to my family. I will take action to protect my family. But I trust in the Lord.

1 Timothy 5:
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Cannot safety be a part of a man providing for his own house? One BIG issue in the U.S. at least, is the fact that NO news outlet will report on the very numerous times that a person or family, etc. were safe against a perpetrator because of having been armed/trained.

This video seems to be all about protecting ones family and property from criminals.

Correct.

Yet I thought the constitution was written for the protection of the citizens against rogue governments. Am I wrong, or is it about both?

Both.

What are Americans afraid of, the criminal element or the government?

I can only speak for myself here. I'm not afraid.

How many people on this site actually have an assault weapon to protect themselves with?

Officially, an assault weapon is only a fully automatic weapon. They are totally illegal so probably none have one. Unofficially, I consider an assault weapon to be anything aimed at me or loved ones or anyone else undeserving. People are daily "assaulted" with all sorts of things .. baseball bats, vehicles, fists, pure brute force over a woman .. It happens to clerks at the local carry out, at parks, in parking garages, in alleys, in houses .. anywhere, at least, in the U.S.

How many have even held a gun or used one for anything other than hunting?

Most of us that have been in the military. Some others.

I trust thT Jesus is my cover and shield and I sleep soundly knowing that.

As you should. Thank you Jesus.

Am I stupid to trust that or should I be afraid ...

I believe you already know the answer to that.

a rogue government, such. Enone you have now,

Please clarify.

But why post videos about criminals in order to prove your point?

Many people think that they are safe in a home invasion situation because they can call 911 (not sure about Canada .. but that is an all inclusive emergency number here). The video shows that the police are admittedly unable to respond soon enough in such a situation. Where you may have seconds to make a decision, they need minutes (at best) to arrive. What if talking to a 911 operator would give away your location in the house? (It would take me twenty minutes to text, "help!"

The fact is, besides all the above jangling .. the U.S. Constitution, as any constitution does in any nation, defines the nation. It clearly allows private gun ownership without interference from government. If they want to change that, fine .. but do it in accordance with the constitution. It provides for the means to amend it. But by decree? Sorry .. not the (normal) U.S. way.

Issachar

[Andy]

Re: You're On Your Own

Actually, Issachar, here in our area countless homeowners have stopped a burglar with a gun and the news is ALL over it. One guy trained his guy on some 43-yr-old guy that was really not a criminal at heart, as was obvious. He made the guy call 9-1-1 ON HIMSELF and report HIMSELF as the intruder. Before the homeowner made him do that he asked, "What are you doing on my property?" to which the guy said, rather sheepishly, "Making a really big mistake"! I definitely LAUGHED at that. I have no idea what he was doing because he really was just a regular fella making a really stupid mistake (he got probation - he really wasn't some hardened criminal that made a habit of breaking into people's houses). Strange story...anyway, I digress.

Turns out the homeowner was a born-again believer and refused to shoot even though Texas has the homestead law and MANY have been shot/killed after breaking into a home and charges are never filed. You're protecting your homestead...period. Recently a couple of punk-kids kicked in the door of a woman who was on the phone with 9-1-1 and she unloaded her gun on them killing one and wounding the other as he ran away. Very little doubt what would have happened had she not been armed.

I personally like that the news reports that to hopefully remind other would-be burglars that you are taking your chances, BIG TIME, breaking into a house where the homeowner is home. It may be the last mistake you make. As a military small-arms Marksman (Small Arms Expert Marksmanship) there's a pretty good chance I'll hit my target...but whether I own a gun or not is something I'm unwilling to advertise on the open forum...but I have no problem telling the world about being a Marksman! Especially if you stick an M-16 in my hand!

Take your chances.

LOL!

Seriously, I REST on this verse:

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

I've told this before, you get to hear/read it again.
It's 11:30 one night and I am awakened to a loud BANG. We have a large picture-window off our dining room. All 3 dogs went ballistic and the 4 of us headed to that part of the house...them leading, me following. By the time I had rounded one hallway and started down another a second B A N G hit our window. It didn't break. As I hit the edge of the dining room he hit it again - B A N G ! ! A bit terrified (to say the least) I reached up and activated the panic alarm which sends out a SHRILL, LOUD siren...audible from anywhere 5-10 feet from outside the house even where there isn't a window...it's LOUD! I don't know what scared him off - the loud siren, the 3 barking dogs or the reality that no matter how hard he hit that 1/4" pane window it wasn't going to break...I suspect an angel was keeping the effects of the hit from doing any damage to it at all. Even the police found NO sign of any impact. Had it only happened 1 time I would have questioned what I heard but I was so close to it the third time he hit it, there was NO doubt in any of our 4 minds!

[Guest]

Re: You're On Your Own

I was an expert with both the .45 and an M-16, but have fired a gun very infrequently since Vietnam days. Not to say I don't like them. In fact, I'm going to a private firing range this Friday with a fellow Calvary Chapel'er. I'll bring my Glock, which incidentally I've never fired in the 8 years or so I've had it- bought it after a skinhead rang my bell at 4AM in a T-shirt in 40 degree weather while holding his jacket around his hands. So I cleaned it today just to make sure its functional. My wife however, hates guns. I'm working on her. I'd sure like her to know how to use it if ever there was an incident while I was away.

That being said, I have ADT, and I believe just having that sign in the front yard and the stickers on the windows are often times enough to make a would be intruder think twice.

wlnf

[Guest]

Re: You're On Your Own

WNLF Shame

Glock i've never fired in the 8 years

If you dont practice,You are certainly unlikely to be able to hit a burgler ....... which is why for home defence a short barreled shotgun is the best weapon..... get your family into a safe room, call police........

DO NOT go looking for the intruder you will find him and he will hear you coming and will shoot you ..........
have outward opening doors that cannot be kicked in ..... and windows that can not be lifted up and out

a rifle bullet will go through your wall and through several of your neighbors homes.....

3. protection against a rogue goverment
There is strong evidence that this is the very reason the 2nd amendment

That is correct.... the armed people were always far more numerous than any standing army.........

[Issachar]

Re: You're On Your Own

Just thinking .. since this topic won't go away from the "news" media ...

Back in the 1960's, the government started the process of banning corporal punishment in the government institutions where they warehouse children all day. In the 1970's it was pretty much complete and they started working on the home/parents. Eventually, just about any sort of corporal punishment was relabeled as "abuse". MOST parents I know today .. WAY most, never spank their children. Divorce is through the roof .. MOST children I know outside of church and way too many within, are not with both biological parents. With disruption in the home and no real correction in their lives, the rebellion that we are all born with that is bound in our hearts, is bearing the fruit of an increasingly violent society. Given the circumstances, it cannot be any other way. A bad tree bears bad fruit.

Proverbs 22:
15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

So now, instead of going to the source (rebellion/foolishness) and eliminating that, society is trying to go after all the various fruit of rebellion and foolishness. It is various and broad and widespread.

So we have this MONSTER size, VERY spread out tree that is scattering debris and bad fruit all over the place, faster than can be contained, and we have most everyone running to and fro trying to contain it, unsuccessfully, instead of simply going over and chopping the trunk.

If the guns they seek to control (eventually all .. and that is NOT rhetoric) were, in and of themselves that problem, then that would have always been true. But in fact, as I've mentioned before and I think others may have too, my high school days saw it as normal, not at all note worthy, not even paid attention to, rifles mounted in the rear pickup truck windows, guns in school for those in the gun club, etc. My friends and I would go shooting at 11 or 12 years old and the only warning we got from parents was to not be late for supper. So what changed? People. People changed because now, they grow up with no discipline. They may grow up with some sort of abuse, but that is not discipline. They grow up hearing parents in vicious arguments. They grow up where the man in the house or the woman in the house, is not dad or mom. They grow up with almost no sense of family.

Issachar ..

[Issachar]

Re: You're On Your Own

An interesting perspective ..



Issachar