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  • #61
    Re: Israel at war??

    I pretty much see his point Wendy but may I add ..

    Incidentism leads to armies tiptoeing around conflicts and losing them by default.
    One on one conflict is being eliminated as much as possible. Drones drones and more drones lurking somewhere above. Either to isolate and kill using the drone or to pinpoint the location for accuracy when using missiles

    But there is also the economic weapon they are using so terribly well these days.
    The extremist in Egypt can talk about Sharia until they are blue in the face. They can talk about not getting in debt or how it is illegal to pay interests
    But when they realize the Arab countries don't own all the oil in the world and the oil rich economies are just as susceptible to collapse...

    Saudi says IMF's 2016 deficit forecast is "doomsday scenario"

    http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...t=Saudi+Arabia

    U.S. to overtake Saudi(and Russia) as top oil producer: IEA

    http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...=United+States

    Plus all the oil they just recently discovered off NFLD. That is just in North America.

    When they can't use oil or other Arab countries any longer to get the exemption from the system....
    And their great need of 5 billion in debt. Plus corporate world will not invest until they conform to the IMF.

    I recently heard a Christian pastor say Islamist saw the riches of the oil countries as proof allah is god.
    They also still thought it could be used as a weapon to bring the world to their knees but.... Which is probably why they are having some trouble admitting publically the IMF could be right.

    He is right about the mentality but the war has actually just changed weapons. But also the OWO controls it.
    Last edited by SAT; 11-19-2012, 07:18 PM.

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    • #62
      Re: Israel at war??

      Originally posted by SAT View Post

      U.S. to overtake Saudi(and Russia) as top oil producer: IEA

      http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...=United+States
      My prediction? Obama won't allow that to happen as it would put way too much power right back into the American hands - something he's spent his Presidential career destroying.

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      • #63
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        I'm not so sure Andy....
        Post number 8
        In Saudi IMF thread
        Saudi says IMF's 2016 deficit forecast is "doomsday scenario"
        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...t=Saudi+Arabia

        The boom has surprised even the experts.

        “Five years ago, if I or anyone had predicted today’s production growth, people would have thought we were crazy,” says Jim Burkhard, head of oil markets research at IHS CERA, an energy consulting firm.
        or exactly what we hear him say all the time.....

        Post number 1 in the US to overtake thread
        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...+arabia+russia

        The United States will overtake Saudi Arabia and Russia as the world's top oil producer by 2017, the West's energy agency said on Monday, predicting Washington will come very close to achieving a previously unthinkable energy self-sufficiency.
        Yes his attitude reflects the ideology of the OWO but the US is still striving to stay number 1 and in control.

        Former United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
        And I know too that there is weariness – a sense that we have carried these burdens long enough. But if we are not inspired to lead again, one of two things will happen – no one will lead and that will foster chaos —- or others who do not share our values will fill the vacuum.
        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ight=Kissinger

        Kissinger..
        Meanwhile, countries within the reach of Iran’s military but lacking a nuclear option would be driven to reorient their political alignment toward Tehran. The reformist tendencies in the Arab Spring — already under severe pressure — would be submerged by this process. The president’s vision of progress toward a global reduction of nuclear weapons would suffer a blow, perhaps a fatal one.
        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ight=Kissinger

        Or even...
        Originally posted by Andy View Post
        I'm absolutely shocked.

        Fox News tonight, Obama flat out said that the Palestinians are at fault for this mess - saying that no country should have to endure wave after wave of rockets reigning down on their homes (my paraphrase but the wording is very close to what he said).

        I don't have a link as it was the 9:00pm news.
        Oil is quickly becoming just another commodity and not an Arab weapon. As I said in the thread to Wendy the shoe is on the other foot and the world/Arab population are only just realizing now.

        In his first term being passive publically or talking about leading from behind didn't mean they weren't getting their way ang getting it done.

        The definition of good leadership?????

        A good example is the Arab Spring.

        China's Xi warns of unrest if graft not tackled
        If corruption is allowed to run wild in China then the ruling Communist Party risks major unrest and the collapse of its rule, state media on Monday quoted Communist Party chief Xi Jinping as saying at one of his first major meetings since taking the role.
        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=40343

        China's new leader knows the global message
        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ighlight=china

        Putin's Russia - more fragile than it looks
        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...russia+fragile
        Last edited by SAT; 11-19-2012, 10:05 PM.

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        • #64
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          Absolutely fascinating if true???
          Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi accompanied by 10 Arab foreign ministers will cross into Gaza from Egypt on Tuesday to show support for the Palestinians, the league's deputy secretary general told AFP.

          The delegation is expected to reach the crossing around noon (1000 GMT), said Ahmed Ben Hilli, adding that Turkey's foreign minister will join the the mission.

          "The main goal is to express Arab solidarity and support for the steadfastness of the people and Gaza," he said.
          http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/ara...122619496.html

          Debka

          Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi aid Tuesday he was sure a Gaza ceasefire would be in the bag before the end of the day. Arab League secretary led a delegation of 10 Arab foreign ministers on a visit to Gaza. DEBKAfile: The ministers tried to persuade Hamas to moderate its terms for a ceasefire.
          http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/2974/
          Last edited by SAT; 11-20-2012, 09:47 AM.

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          • #65
            Re: Israel at war??

            Originally posted by SAT View Post
            I'm not so sure Andy....
            Post number 8
            In Saudi IMF thread
            Saudi says IMF's 2016 deficit forecast is "doomsday scenario"
            I just see a much deeper, much more sinister, deception going on, here - something none of us has any full realization of (best that way, I'm sure). I can't get away from Muhammad and the history of how he conquered his enemies in his day and how that is exactly what I've heard, from more than one reliable source, is what is going on today. Both attacks are working: Feigning peace in the M.E. and slowly overtaking entire Empires/economies like they are in Britain and now the U.S. And given the fact that Obama is, at best, a Muslim sympathizer and at worst a full Communist (like his father was) I don't see him catapulting the US economy into first place again, creating a dependency of the Muslim nations, on US oil. No matter how "Muslim" our nation becomes we'll never have Mecca nor be called, "Persia".

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            • #66
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              Salafists take responsibility for Gaza rockets
              http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article...ID=292760&R=R1

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              • #67
                Re: Israel at war??

                SAT: I thought I had a pretty good handle on the various factions but this article raises things to a whole new level...... you really need a program guide to understand all the players...but the force behind them all is the same entity...

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                • #68
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                  Terrorist Attack on Bus in Tel Aviv; Hamas Celebrates

                  A terrorist blew blown up a Dan local bus on Shaul HaMelech street in central Tel Aviv aroun noon. Five people suffered serious injuries, and two are in serious condition while three people are in moderate conditon. No one was killed.

                  Twenty-one people have been evacuated to Icholov Hospital, most of them with lesser injuries. Others are being treated for emotional shock.

                  Eyewitnesses said that that the terrorist boarded the bus, placed a suspicious package there and then fled. Police arrested one suspect but later released him when it became clear he had no connection with the attack.
                  http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162356

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                  • #69
                    Re: Israel at war??

                    Originally posted by HSB View Post
                    SAT:...... you really need a program guide to understand all the players...but the force behind them all is the same entity...
                    How true.
                    I couldn't help but think how this really complicates everything. The Arab world is really being force to the edge of making a decision once and for all.
                    Morsi really doesn't like them as they are the ones who have been responsible for killing Christians, challenging Morsi's authority and killing Egyptian soldier in Egypt.
                    They were also the ones behind the attacks in the Sinia and killing even more Egyptian soldiers. When Egyptian military had to work with Israelis to save American UN troops in the Sinia. A threat to his power.
                    Now Hamas is facing the same dilemma.
                    It was easy when neither Morsi or Hamas had any power to use these people. But now groups like the Salafist are also a threat to their power.
                    At a time...
                    Pampered but restless, many young Kuwaitis want more


                    http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=40356
                    or even from the other day..
                    Bahrain says bomb attacks show hand of Hezbollah
                    Five home-made bombs that killed two people in Bahrain on Monday bore the hallmarks of Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group allied with Iran, the U.S.-aligned government said on Tuesday
                    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8M6EBA20121106

                    I can't help but think about the simularities to when the west used Russia but later they became the threat.
                    Last edited by SAT; 11-21-2012, 02:55 PM.

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                    • #70
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                      Quote from the above article
                      Re Kuwait 's young
                      "We don't like the very strict Muslims, the Salafis, they want to make Kuwait like Saudi Arabia and restrict women, to stop us from being able to drive."
                      http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=40356

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                      • #71
                        Re: Israel at war??

                        This article is an excellent summary

                        Especially the second half

                        IRANIAN ISOLATION
                        Whatever the result on the ground, there is little doubt in Israel that Iran suffered a diplomatic setback this week.

                        "It was very important for Iran to see a major rift between Israel and Egypt," said Meir Javedanfar, an Iranian expert who teaches at the Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) in Herzliya.

                        But by avoiding a potentially bloody ground invasion of Gaza and welcoming Egyptian mediation in the crisis, Israel managed to stave off a major split with President Mohamed Mursi and opened a welcome window of dialogue.

                        Moreover, the ceasefire brokered by Mursi made clear that Hamas, once viewed as being under Iranian sway, is very much in the Egyptian camp and is not taking any orders from Tehran.

                        "It's becoming clear that major Palestinian groups have realized that (Iran) would fight Israel to the last Palestinian, and this is a price which they are unwilling to pay," said Javedanfar. "Hamas has moved away from Iran."
                        http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8AM0OH20121123

                        Add the timing of this new revolt in Egypt and Morsi is getting a message.

                        US Calls Out Egyptian President Morsi For Giving Himself Sweeping New Powers
                        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=40370

                        The OWO/OWR as represented by Iran is not going to win.

                        "It is an essential stage in King Abdullah's efforts to change Saudi Arabia itself," the Jerusalem-based rabbi said
                        Holy See to be "founding observer" of King Abdullah's interfaith center/opens Mon
                        http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=40373

                        Even in the greater ME
                        Last edited by SAT; 11-24-2012, 12:51 PM.

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                        • #72
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                          I'll unpin this, for now...but we all know this is far from the end!

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