Tha actual name of God

[Andy]

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Fascinating, HSB!
I really enjoyed that...

It's so sad (to me) that the Jews feared God so much they dared not say His Name.
Now we are given free access right to the throne of God - and we're encouraged to call Him,
"Abba Father"

What a Savior our Jesus is!

[Guest]

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HSB: the following from Judaism 101
http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

The Significance of Names
In Jewish thought, a name is not merely an arbitrary designation, a random combination of sounds. The name conveys the nature and essence of the thing named. It represents the history and reputation of the being named.

This is not as strange or unfamiliar a concept as it may seem at first glance. In English, we often refer to a person's reputation as his "good name." When a company is sold, one thing that may be sold is the company's "good will," that is, the right to use the company's name. The Hebrew concept of a name is very similar to these ideas.

Nothing in the Torah prohibits a person from pronouncing the Name of God. Indeed, it is evident from scripture that God's Name was pronounced routinely. Many common Hebrew names contain "Yah" or "Yahu," part of God's four-letter Name. The Name was pronounced as part of daily services in the Temple.

The Mishnah confirms that there was no prohibition against pronouncing The Name in ancient times. In fact, the Mishnah recommends using God's Name as a routine greeting to a fellow Jew. Berakhot 9:5. However, by the time of the Talmud, it was the custom to use substitute Names for God. Some rabbis asserted that a person who pronounces YHVH according to its letters (instead of using a substitute) has no place in the World to Come, and should be put to death]. Instead of pronouncing the four-letter Name, we usually substitute the Name "Adonai," or simply say "Ha-Shem" (lit. The Name).

HSB:This is a remarkable paragraph. Within a few short sentences we have gone from recommending the use of the Holy Name in greetings (just like Boaz and harvesters did) to killing people. Let me repeat that for effect:
This is a remarkable paragraph. Within a few short sentences we have gone from recommending the use of the Holy Name in greetings (just like Boaz and harvesters did) to killing people.

[Guest]

Should we use the name Jehovah?

I just read this yesterday, by Dr. James E. Smith


http://worldviewweekend.com/worldvie...articleid=8167

The name Jehovah does not occur a single time in the Hebrew text of the Old Testament. No biblical writer ever used the name Jehovah in prayer or song. Though the name Jehovah appears seven times in the King James Version and several thousand times in the American Standard Version there is a question as to whether anybody prior to the sixteenth century A.D. had ever heard this strange-sounding and unbiblical name. Doubtlessly every biblical character from Adam to John would stare in astonishment and incomprehension should they be told that the covenant name of God is Jehovah. But how did the name Jehovah come into use? How did this non-existent name come to be part of our popular translation of Scripture. It is a complicated story, especially for those who are not trained in the Hebrew language.

See URL for more

[Guest]

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Thanks for posting Sandy. I read this too, but not savvy enough to repost. So I wanted to pray personally to Abba Father and for a whole prayer I used Jehovah. Now I know it is not the proper name. Poor Lord, he probably wondered who I was talking to. But I totally agree that Abba is a wonderful way to connect with the Father.

[Guest]

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SandyLion: great to hear your thoughts. I read that same article a few days ago as well. There is some good material in there. I happen to disagree with the conclusions the author draws, but that's OK. As you are aware Jehovah came from adding the Hebrew vowels of Adonai into the YHWH. I find the explanation I foffered above with the four vowel-consonants (following from what Josephus said) to be convincing. What do you think?

Here are a few more Hebrew names of God (built upon the Yahweh base):
Yahweh-Yireh will see
-Nicciy my banner
-Tsidqenwy our righteousness
-Shalom peace
-Shammah thither (name for Jerusalem)
-Zabad endowed
-Chanan favored
-Yoda known
-Yakiyn will establish
-Yawkeem will raise
-Yariyb will contend
-Nadad largessed
-Nathan given

Yaho -Ceph Adding (formal name of Yosef)
-Addah Adorned
-Addan Pleased
-Tsadaq Righted
-Ram Raised
-Sheba Sworn
-Shua Saved
-Shaphat Judged
-Ash Fired
-Dah Praise (formal name of Judah/Yehuda)

YH Yahh (Yaw) the shortened form of the sacred name

[Guest]

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Hi HSB: I like that explanation! It really does have it's own vowels and it is not hard to pronounce at all. I am learning Hebrew right now and it makes it much easier to understand how it should be pronounced, but I wonder then, what all the fuss is about? I don't really like the word Jehovah because it is too associated with Jehovah's Witnesses. They are so bent on that name that they put it in the new testament where it is never found in the Greek. I wonder why? I am certain that Satan would have long ago done his best to corrupt THE NAME (of the One who will judge him) as much as possible and it only makes it more certain that it is a corruption if the JW's use it for the name of their god.

[SAT]

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SAT: thanks for the link to that beautiful song. My wife keeps playing it over and over!!

I'm glad she is enjoying it. There is so much out there.
She may enjoy...
http://www.soundsofshalom.com/
It's a internet radio station from NY state.

PS II'm really enjoying the thread. Thank you all who participated

[Guest]

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JackieJ: I believe God delights in our reaching out to him. Recently my wife flew down to Charleston South Carolina to help with the newest baby (with an older sibling) of our son and daughterinlaw. My wife called upon arrival to say the older girl (2 years old) wanted to know where "Gradin" was, then asked "Is he reading a book?" The little tyke cannot say Grandad yet but was certainly trying. What a joy! I believe the name that has been prohibited for 2000+ years is actually pronounced as Yahweh, but it still sounds very foreign...no wonder, hardly any translation other than Roman Catholic Jerusalem Bible even uses the name.

[Guest]

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HSB, very cute story about your granddaughter. Little ones are so sweet and can just wrap you around their fingers yes I believe the Lord delights in His time with us. I just want to call Him by what He wants to be called by. I love Him so. I think Abba Father is special to Him. I think there is a Scripture verse that refers to calling Him that but not sure.

[Guest]

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I think Abba Father is special to Him. I think there is a Scripture verse that refers to calling Him that but not sure.

Hi Jackie,

I agree with you.....just sharing the verses where you find Abba Father

Mark 14:36

And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

[Guest]

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Ex 3:15
15 God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations. (NASB)
Ex 3:15 footnote NASB: The LORD. The Hebrew for this name is Yahweh (often incorrectly spelled “Jehovah”; see note on Deut 28:58) It means “He is” or “He will be” and is the third-person form of the verb translated “I will be” in verse 12 and “I AM” in verse 14. When God speaks of Himself He says “I AM” and when we speak of Him we say “He is”

Deut 28:58:
58 "If you are not careful to observe all the words of this law which are written in this book, to fear this honored and awesome name, the LORD your God, (NASB)
Footnote NASB: One of the oddities of history and revelation is the loss of the proper pronunciation of the Hebrew word YHWH, the most intimate and personal name of God in the OT. Jehovah is a spelling that developed from a combining the consonants of the name with the vowels of a word for “Lord” (Adonai). Yahweh is probably the original pronunciation. The name eventually ceased to be pronounced because later Jews thought it too holy to be uttered and feared violating Ex 20:7 and Lev 24:16. It is translated “LORD” in this version (see Preface to the NASB)

HSB: at least the Jews kept writing the Holy Name. Christian translators don't even do that!

[Guest]

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Jeremiah 23:27 God speaks of false prophets “who intend to make My people forget My name…just as their fathers forgot My name because of Baal” In NASB the footnote says: “To forget the Lord’s name is tantamount to forgetting Him” Amazing!!! Especially since the NASB has replaced the actual name of God with a substitute in the very next verse 28:“…declares the LORD.”

[Guest]

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Jeremiah 23:27 God speaks of false prophets “who intend to make My people forget My name…just as their fathers forgot My name because of Baal” In NASB the footnote says: “To forget the Lord’s name is tantamount to forgetting Him” Amazing!!! Especially since the NASB has replaced the actual name of God with a substitute in the very next verse 28:“…declares the LORD.”

We have people introducing one of those false prophets into our land, doing just that attempting to have people forget His name....the Prophets name his Mohammed.

[Guest]

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The full name of God appears about 7000 times in Scripture. A shortform for YHWH is YHW (Yahu) when joined with another word at the front or end. It would be written as yah/jah/iah as in hallelu-yah, which means praise to Yah (or more completely praise to Yahweh). That is why you will see hallelu –iah, hallelu-yah and hallelu-jah.
We have Isaiah (or more properly Yesha-yah meaning “Yah has saved”) as a name for seven people in Scripture. Another is Jeremiah (actually Yirme-yah meaning “Yah will arise”. That name occurs nine times in the Bible. We could go on Nehemiah is Nechem-yah….Consolation of Yah, Obadiah is Obad-yah meaning Serving Yah, Zephan-iah meaning Yah has hidden, Zachar-iah meaning Yah has remembered.



As side note El is shortened version of Elohim. So Ezeki-el means God will strengthen, Dani-el means God is judge.

[Guest]

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I believe that names are extremely important in the Bible:
Here are a few examples of name changes:
In Genesis 32:28 Jacob’s name is changed to Israel. Jacob as a name comes from aqab: to supplant, also aqeb: heel, track, rear, footstep. Jacob in the Bible was behind Esau in birth, thus tracked at the rear in the footsteps of the heel of Esau. (and he grabbed his brother's heel at birth) But he became Isra-el.... One who struggles with God. What an incredible prophecy of the entire history of the Jewish nation.

Does anybody remember from Sunday School the names of the three colleagues of Daniel who went into the firey furnace….Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego! The meanings of their names are as follows Commanded of Aku (the moon god) for the first, Who is like Aku? For the second, and Servant of Nego/Nebo/Nebu for the third. Daniel himself was given the name Belteshazzar which means May Bel (Marduk) protect him.
Anybody recall the Hebrew names? The first is Hanan-iah meaning Yah has favored, the second Misha-el meaning Who is like El (God) and the last is Azar-iah which means Yah has helped. Interesting meanings!!! Why do we teach the pagan names to the kids??? I bet there are not very many kids out there who knows the original Hebrew names of these incredible men who stood up against the biggest superpower steamroller in history up to that point in time, but they all have learned the pagan names. Sad!!

In the account of the spies going into Canaan, Hosea son of Nun was the representative of the tribe of Ephraim as explained in Numbers 13:8. However, in Numbers 13:16 Moses renames Hosea as Joshua. What is going on here? Hosea or “Ho-shay-ah” (Strong 1954) means “deliverer”. This name applies to five different people in Scripture. But “Yehow-shua/Yah-shua” means "Yah (short form of Yahweh) saves/delivers". Yesha (Strong #3467) means to be free, preserve, rescue, salvation. Thus the God of Israel (Yahweh) saves. Yeshuwah (Strong 3444) means deliverance, salvation
Turns out then that the formal name for Jesus is …Yehoshua/Yahshua (=Yahweh saves)