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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKRsB...&feature=share

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    Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

    We knew this was coming.

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      Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

      Strange enough when we know these things or, at the very least, strongly suspect them, but to hear someone in the know saying it, is very creepy. At the end of the call, Mark mentions that his group checked out this guy to make sure he was who he said he is .. and he is.

      Issachar, not a brain surgeon nor a rocket scientist .. but can smell a rat ... and it's not this brain surgeon that called in ..
      The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

      Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

      I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

      Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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        Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

        I have read much about this topic, it does have the "Potential to affect me'.

        My condition would be considered ( by o ba ma-care ) as
        ' 'useless' ' to the' It-takes-a-VILLAGE-people' . Sooooooooo
        they will give ' ' value ' ' to
        " "Harvesting ORGANS " " as the LAST-value
        before Uuummmmmmm; OHhh
        let's say 'EXITINg' LIFe *

        ================================================


        Here's My* take on it & I hope you see where I'm going.
        No-Tonality-in Text/Typed words.



        Stay with me here , in My* Research , i came across this Strange
        effect by/to the RECiever of the Organs. WILL-It -Be-A-Path-to-Becoming
        A-Christian. IT May well be the L-RD's SEnse -o'Humor .


        I had read that, those who/whom got "Other's" Organs began to eat like, have cravings-like, personality-changes-like. . . . . .



        QUESTION : So if I'm a Christian and I die, say in an Auto-accident or a Natural cause or some dread Disease; and *am avid about READing My BIBLE every day.
        .Will they?

        : So if I'm prone to PRAYing for the poor, barren, sick . . . . .
        . Will they?


        : So if I'm Disciplined in PAYIng by tithe/10% of my Gross Income.
        >will they ?



        : So if I'm thoughtful to Share much of what i acquire. . Will they ?

        Can YOu see where I headed IT Could Pay to BE-a-Forced-Organ-Donor \0/ = Salvation for the person- recipient(s) , just by questioning . . . . . {Seek & Ye shall find .Ask and it Shall be given . . . . .



        As an leaving-out the Topic . IF I'm prone-to-PREACHing the GOSPEL.
        . Will they?


        OHhh ANd at the RAPTURE = the Shout ; "Come-Up-Hither . . . . .





        Lest Ya doubt; sites that speak to the above, See HERE:



        KEY WORDs: Organ donor recipients experience some of the donors cravings,personality
        I'll under line some of the words, you scan the rest. I also took out
        some www, so if you want go to the BOLDENED-yahoo Link.
        = = = = = = = = = = = =



        http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=...8&fr=yfp-t-701


        Search resultsInherited Memories in Organ Transplant Recipients
        ... is not the only organ that stores memories or personality ... them had some part of the donor's ... your experience is similar to that of recipients of ...theophanes.hubpages.com/hub/...Organ-Transplant-Recipients - Cached


        Heart transplant patient gets craving for food eaten by organ ...
        Transplant patient gets craving for food eaten by organ donor. ... which sees some transplant recipients take ... the only organ to store memories or personality ...
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Heart...gan-donor.html
        More results from dailymail.co.uk »
        Inherited Memories in Organ Transplant Recipients - My Way ...
        Inherited Memories in Organ Transplant Recipients By ... cravings, and other mild personality ... Could it be the organs given to them had some part of the donor's ...


        Donor organ 'personality' worry
        Most people are strongly averse to the idea of receiving a donor organ ... they have taken on some aspects of the donor's personality. ... visual experience. ...
        news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8084936.stm - Cached
        More results from news.bbc.co.uk »
        Cellular Memory — Organ Recipients With Characteristics of ...
        ... patient taking on some of the characteristics of the donor. ... over whether organ recipients can gain more ... donor personality ...
        bobsnewheart.wordpress.com/...organ-recipients-with...donor - Cached

        A Medical Mystery: Transferred Organ Donor Consciousness ...
        Many recipients of organ ... correspond to the traits of the organ donor. Could the donor’s personality, ... Some scientists have proposed a theory of ...
        scienceray.com/philosophy-of...organ-donor-consciousness - Cached



        Organ Transplants or Blood Transfusions and Reincarnation.
        ... may be the recipients' experiences of organ or stem-cell ... may have taken on some of the donors' personality traits ... do not experience ...


        Bizarre world | Can transplanted organs pass on their owners ...
        No scientific evidence exists to explain how characteristics of an organ donor might ... some other transplant recipients. ... with the donors organs and personality. ...


        Organ Transplants and Cellular Memories - Inicio
        ... patients receiving peripheral organ transplants should not experience personality ... to the personality of her donor ... organ recipients ...



        Can recipients of organ transplants inherit the preferences ...
        Can recipients of organ transplants inherit ... is a chance they will inherit the personality of a donor. ... of patients will inherit some of a donor's ...






        BLESSINgs , Smile





        Webmaster's if removing the www, Violates Your rules. Then proceed
        accordingly.
        Last edited by M from M; 12-01-2011, 07:23 PM.

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          Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

          Current

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            Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

            I am going to say something that will be very unpopular here I am sure. I have been in health care as an RN for 35+ years. I do not believe in "death panels." Now, having said all of that, here is my view.

            We have a limited amount of resources as does any country. Over and over and over, I have seen very elderly people whose bodies and organs are shutting down just as a natural process of aging, have enormous amounts of money spent to "keep them alive." Which I posit is defying nature. How does $10k a day sound just for a special bed to prevent skin breakdown in an 88 year old comatose dying man? We won't talk about the expense of the IVs and the tube feedings of high calorie TPN. Oh, and that is without the cost of the hospitael room, doctors and nurses. Always, the family wants "everything done."
            Multiply this scenario over and over again around the country and it is no wonder that Medicare is such a huge part of our GDP.

            Families are often very irrational and in denial that a loved one is terminally ill despite what the physicians and nurses tell them. There is a difference between keeping someone comfortable and pain free as they are in the dying process and pulling out all stops, including a full "code" on those who are dying. Death is a natural part of being human. It comes to infants, teens, young people and the elderly alike. JMHO there needs to be some way that we can stop this torture of people who are dying--because it is torture in many ways.

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              Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

              Glorify Him,

              Suffice-it for me', to say to you : go back and read what you typed and then

              give 'considerance to the "ONE to who/and Whom you profess to' be

              as you wedg-name states. i.e. HIS . . . . .




              BE BLESS't

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                Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

                Sorry M from M, but even on rereading it, I stand by it. I have had to watch way too many people suffer for a long time because "medical science" has the ability to keep lungs working, and hearts beating, etc. Just because we have the advances in technology doesn't mean that it is always appropriate to use it.

                I know exactly whom I serve. Solomon wrote that "to everything there is a time and a season and a purpose unto heaven, a time to live, a time to die.."etc. we all know the words. I guess that I do not understand why it is so many Christians do not grasp that a lot of what we do medically is not really that great for a person, nor does it extend any type of quality of life. It just eases peoples conscience.

                If we want to get highly technical here, jmho, I suspect that Jesus would not be happy that most American Christians live in a home/apt. that is huge by the standards of the rest of the world. 800 sq ft is big to most of the world but small here. We, Christians, throw out enough food everyday to feed the hungry in this nation. Yet, we have hungry and homeless adults and children all over this country with shelters that are full to the max.

                So, some will be offended that I dare suggest that death is part of life. Okay. It just seems to me that some of the money we throw down the tubes in medical care could be put to far better use, i.e. helping those who are either not or under-insured, those who need help in just getting the basic necessities of life.

                I will say it again. I am not for what you call "death panels" but I am surely not for continuing on with a broken system. BTW, M from M, I take umbrage with you calling in to question the name I use on this site based on this opinion that I hold which is obviously different from yours. If you think that it in anyway glorifies God to hook up some little old lady or man to every tube on the planet to keep them "alive" when their body is just trying to shut down, a natural process, then you have never seen it and had to deal with it professionally. All I have to say on this subject.
                Last edited by Glorify Him; 12-02-2011, 02:06 PM. Reason: misspelled word

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                  Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

                  M and GH, I understand each of your viewpoints and agree with both. "Death panels" should not have a say, but each of us needs to balance costs (of all kinds) and benefits of each type of treatment for ourselves and loved ones.

                  My dear Mom (so special a person and Christian that I gladly "share her" with everyone) will be 89 in January. There is no way I want her to "go", and yet we've had repeated conversations about how she feels about death. She has had a DNR in place for years. Her health problems are "minor" (COPD that is finally getting under control), but she is ready to "go" at any time (as long as it is peacefully in her sleep!). There is no way that I'll authorize "heroic" measures to prolong her life, but I know that having to make that choice will be like walking a tightrope. I also know that if I choose not to intervene, my husband will probably disagree. I thank God that He's in control of all the angles!

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                    Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

                    We don't need to unleash personal attacks on each other based on our differences to our convictions before the Lord. We may not agree with each other but no one needs to call into question whether someone is honoring God with what their own convictions are. For reasons only God fully understands two very Spirit-led believes can be in complete disagreement with each other and yet both have a perfectly clear conscience before the God we both serve. We do well NOT to attack each other just because a particular issue may have a very personal meaning to it. We are called to a higher standard than this. Discuss, disagree, even debate - all must be done in love and respecting the other as "better than ourselves".

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                      Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

                      I think the age cap should be raised another 5-10 years for "comfort care" instead of successful surgery and treatment to prolong one's life another 5-20 years and allow the "dying of old age" to take place. 70 years old is barely elderly. I think the expected prognosis is what should determine more than age.

                      If the prognosis is poor at any age, then palliative care is in order, especially if the patient is really suffering. I definitely believe life support for an transitioning or actively dying patient is not natural.

                      Why linger in a broken thread bare tent, if the Creator is calling him to move into his "building not made with hands, eternal in the heavens"?

                      I'm so ready for the Rapture.

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                        Re: Mark Levin, a Neurosurgeon Calls In About Death Panels From Obamacare and HHS

                        Andy,

                        I don't see how this was an "attack . . . . . "

                        I responded directly to ; 'butterfly's Post Title"



                        I shall respond to the commentary, But not just now .





                        BE BLESS't

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