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  • Sanherin......covenant

    Read the whole artilce at the following are bits of it

    Until now, Noahide communities and organization had been scattered around the globe, with a particular concentration centered around the southern United States. The communities themselves are a relatively recent phenomenon bolstered by the fact that the Internet has allowed individuals sharing Noahide beliefs to get in touch with one another.

    The court of 71 rabbis, known as the Sanhedrin, which was reestablished last October in Tiberius following the reinstitution of rabbinic semikha, decided, after numerous requests from the Noahide community, to assist the movement in forming a leadership council.

    Rabbi Michael Bar-Ron, with the Sanhedrin's blessing, travelled to the United States to meet with representatives of the Noahide movement and select members for the High Council. Bar-Ron, an ordained student, talmid samukh, who currently sits on the Sanhedrin, is also one of the Sanhedrin's spokesmen.

    Bar-Ron organized a small conference in California where six of the council's future members were selected and also addressed the annual convention of the Vendyl Jones Research Institute - one of the Noahide organizations represented on the council. At the VJRI convention, Bar-Ron met five more of the Noahide leaders who will be joining the council.

    The purpose of the council, which was the brainchild of Rabbi Avraham Toledano, is to assist the B'nei Noach in their struggle to observe the word of G-d. "The goal is to unify, serve and organize all kosher B'nei Noach communities of the world under a single body that can operate under the direct authority and supervision of the Sanhedrin," the decision to establish the body reads. "To form a vessel through which the Torah, from Zion (via the Sanhedrin) can effectively serve non-Jewish communities around the world."

    A third goal of the creation of the High Council and the Sanhedrin's efforts in regard to the Noahide community, is to "transform the Noahide movement from a religious phenomenon - a curiosity many have not heard of - into a powerful international movement that can successfully compete with, and with G-d's help bring about the fall of, any religious movement but the pure authentic faith that was given to humanity through Noach, the father of us all," said emissary Bar-Ron.

    To that end, one of the primary functions of the council will be the creation and development of effective outreach materials for the world. Although Judaism does not require or encourage non-Jews to become Jewish, the observance of the Seven Laws of Noah is incumbent upon humanity and widespread observance is to be worked toward, even through active proselytization, something that is anathema to Judaism. more
    Last edited by cnav; 09-28-2005, 07:45 PM. Reason: to capitalize

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    But I realized then that although the government was detaching itself from the Land of Israel - a partial annulment of our covenant with G-d, similar to the sin of the ten spies - there is another aspect of the covenant that has not been pursued. That aspect is our obligation to be a nation of priests unto the nations. This is the core of the covenant with Abraham and it is something the Jewish people as a nation has not involved itself in since Second Temple times. So as the government disengaged from the covenant, I was participating in the reengagement with an aspect of the covenant that has been dormant."


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      All of the prospective members of the High Council are obligated to appear in Jerusalem this coming January, at which time they will be ordained by the Sanhedrin as members of the High Council.


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        So as the government disengaged from the covenant, I was participating in the reengagement with an aspect of the covenant that has been dormant."
        It is always interesting to see the word COVENANT...with Daniel 9:27 in mind

        Daniel 9:27"And he shall confirm the covenant
        with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

        Some of you know I have always thought this covenant to be confirmed will be spiritual in nature and NOT political, economic etc. simply because the Jewish covenant with God was spiritual and I believe Satan will try to get them to make a covenant spiritual in nature with the AC to mimic this and also in the midst of this covenant the sacrifice ceases..again spiritual in nature

        Just thinking again on the Jerusalem Covenant...
        I always thought this covenant could allow for the Temple and sacrifices only if short lived

        It is all coming together for sure
        Last edited by cnav; 09-28-2005, 07:41 PM.


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            Interesting observations by Eddie!

            I have a newspaper clipping of the covenant at my site, also (courtesy of J.R. Church):


            John H.


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              This is very interesting. I'd be interested to hear TorahTips comments on it.


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                Re: NOAHIDE LAWS


                The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Noahide Laws in legislation which was passed by both houses. Congress and the President of the United States, George Bush, indicated in Public Law 102-14, 102nd Congress, that the United States of America was founded upon the Seven Universal Laws of Noah, and that these Laws have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization. (Iraq ...see next post)They also acknowledged that the Seven Laws of Noah are the foundation upon which civilization stands and that recent weakening of these principles threaten the fabric of civilized society, and that justified preoccupation in educating the Citizens of the United States of America and future generations is needed. For this purpose, this Public Law designated March 26, 1991 as Education Day, U.S.A.

                My friend sent me an article when she started google searching the noahide laws when I told her about the Sanhedrin article here...unfortunltely she sent an article from a site I can't post...I guess it was the first she came to..but with that saoid..for those who want to dig deeper...take a look at a few sites in a google the 7 Noahide laws...keeping in mind that the punishment for breaking them is decapitation..and Bush Sr. and Congress signed that law saying the U.S. is under these laws ...looking further ...join in the search anyone who cares is more than alarming imo
                Last edited by cnav; 10-05-2005, 05:59 PM.


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                  Congress and the President of the United States, George Bush, indicated in Public Law 102-14, 102nd Congress, that the United States of America was founded upon the Seven Universal Laws of Noah, and that these Laws have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization. (IRAQ/Babylon (Gardenof Eden) was dawn of civilization...see below)

                  Here is a cutting edge article for any who care to weed through have to go down a bit to get to the 7 nohide laws.....I beg to differ with President Bush that the U.S. was funded on these laws....Iraq mentioned



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                    I read the articles and my head is spinning.


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                      The 7 Noachide Laws

                      While Jews ("Children of Israel") are to fulfill the 613 mitzvot that rabbis find in Torah, "Gentiles" ("Children of Noah" or "Noahides" or "B'nai Noah" or "Hassidic Gentiles") are to follow the 7 Laws that Jews claim were given to Adam, and then to Moses through Noah (or directly to Noah, according to other traditions), and which were subsequently passed down through the ages until they were codified in the Babylonian Talmud. These Laws are:
                      • Do not murder
                      • Do not steal
                      • Do not worship false gods
                      • Do not be sexually immoral
                      • Do not eat the limb of an animal before it is killed
                      • Do not curse God
                      • Set up courts and bring offenders to justice
                      OK, not so bad; we can all live with that, right? What's the penalty for breaking one of these laws?

                      One additional element of greater severity is that violation of any one of the seven laws subjects the Noahide to capital punishment by decapitation. (Sanh. 57A) [my emphasis]


                      Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

                      The Noahide laws, also called the Brit Noah (Covenant of Noah) are the mitzvot (commandments) and halakhot (laws) that Judaism teaches that all non-Jews are morally bound to follow. They are listed in the Talmud and elaborated on by post-Talmudic authorities. Opinions differ on the reach of these commandments and the laws derived from them, but all contemporary authorities agree that there are seven commandments. These commandments and laws are based on exegesis of Genesis 2:16 and 9:4-6.

                      Other religions as Noahide


                      Islam has a different tradition on Noah and his descendants; the Qur'an mentions additional narrative on Noah. As stated before, the Jewish authority Maimonides has maintained that Islam is a Noahide religion, although the Medieval sage Nissim of Gerona disagrees.


                      Within Judaism it is a matter of debate whether or not all Christians should be considered Noahides. The strict view is that Christian theology is considered avodah zarah (loosely translated as "idolatry") for all people, both Jew and gentile, as it subscribes to the Trinity. Therefore most Christians cannot be considered Noahides. However, Unitarian Christians and other followers of Jesus who do not believe that Jesus is God would still be considered Noahides.



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                        Getting to know the Grand Lodge of France

                        Is it a universal religion?

                        Indeed, if one considers the etymological sense of the word religion, from the Latin religare (to bind) or relegere (to take in, to gather together). Certainly not if we mean by that a separate and distinct religion, in competition with the others.

                        The Chevalier Ramsay used to declare: "Freemasonry is indeed the resurrection of the noachide religion, that of the Patriarch Noah, that religion prior to any dogma, which allows us to go beyond the differences and oppositions of the various faiths". Thus could always be found in Masonic Lodges men who call each other "Brother" even though often dissimilar in their origins, denominations, faiths, convictions and customs, but convinced of Freemasonry’s fundamental principle, the law of Brotherly love.

                        Let’s quote Anderson again, in his Constitutions which remain, for the Grand Lodge of France, the text of reference. It is said there: "masonry becomes the center of union, and the means of conciliating true friendship among persons that must have remain’d at a perpetual distance".

                        A universal and traditional order based on Fraternity, the Grand Lodge of France is fundamentally an initiatic order. It is Initiation which allows the "old man" to get rid of his old being and to be reborn, like the Phoenix, as a new man, able to reach the dimensions of his inner life and that which, in him, is spirit and liberty, understanding and love.

                        Universal Freemasonry and its principles

                        Freemasonry is a universal, traditional and initiatic order based on Fraternity.

                        It constitutes an alliance of free men of good repute, of all origins, all nationalities and all faiths.

                        The goal of Freemasonry is the moral improvement of mankind.



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                          7. The Children of Noah are permanently warned concerning the Seven Universal Laws. This means that ignorance of the law is not a valid defense. One cannot claim, for example, that he did not know that idolatry was one of the seven commandments. Nor can he claim that he did not know that bowing down to an idol constitutes idolatry. (He can, however, claim that he did not know that such‑and‑such was an idol, for this is not ignorance of the law.) Therefore, one is duty bound to study the Seven Universal Laws to the best of one's ability and to teach the knowledge of them to one's children.

                          8. When one of the Children of Noah resolves to fulfill the Seven Universal Commandments, his or her soul is elevated. This person becomes one of the Chasidei Umot ha‑Olam, the Pious Ones of the Nations, and receives a share of the Eternal World.[5] The Holy Scriptures call one who accepts the yoke of fulfilling the Seven Universal Laws a ger toshav, a proselyte of the gate. This person is permitted to live in the Land of Israel and to enter the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and to offer sacrifices to the God of Israel.[6]



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                            Since the adoption of these "natural laws" would place the entire international community under the Talmudic Law of Orthodox Judaism, the separation between church and state would be hopelessly obscured. Additionally, under Noahide Law as specified in the Talmud, there is no assurance of due process (only some sort of legal proceeding), no presumption of innocence until proven guilty, and no guarantee of a jury trial.

                            Even the requirement as stated in Deut. 17:6 of two or three witnesses being necessary to condemn a person to death is reduced to only one witness ("judged righteous") within the fine print of Talmudic Noahide Law. Furthermore, Gentiles and Jews appear to receive unequal treatment under these laws, to the degree that Jews may not be even liable for crimes committed against Gentiles.

                            Christians who worship Jesus Christ have been judged in violation of both the prohibitions against idolatry and blasphemy by many prominent Talmudic rabbinical scholars and could therefore be sentenced to death by decapitation for merely practicing their faith under literal Noahide Law. With no specific protections against cruel and unusual punishment, a literal interpretation of Noahide Law could even result in capital punishment for those accused of animal abuse - sure to make it extremely popular with PETA.

                            The process for eventual global implementation of this legal code would appear to have been initiated with the United Nations Security Council resolution of May 25, 1993 establishing an International Criminal Tribunal. (Claiming to act under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, the Security Council, in fact violated its own charter which originally stated that the Council has no power whatever in judicial matters - that power is supposedly vested within the current International Court of Justice, the same court which recently condemned Israel's construction of the West Wall.)


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                              the ... principles ... upon which our great Nation was founded ... known as the Seven Noahide Laws ... without these ... civilization stands in serious peril of .. chaos ... Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991 ... in tribute to this great spiritual leader ... his ninetieth year will ... turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws

                              Early life

                              Born in Nikolaiev, Ukraine, Schneerson received mostly private tuition. He was enrolled in the secular Yekaterinoslav University for part-time study of mathematics at the age of 16. His father Rabbi Levi Yitzchok Schneerson, a renowned kabbalist who served as the Chief Rabbi of Yekaterinoslav (Dnepropetrovsk) from 1907-1939, was his primary teacher. He intensively studied Talmud and rabbinic literature, as well as the hasidic view of Jewish mysticism and Kabbalah. He married Chaya Mushka Schneerson in 1928 and went to live in Berlin, Germany, and study engineering and philosophy at one of its universities. Lubavitch publications state that he received "degrees at Heidelberg", although some surmise that this is "anecdotal". During his time in Berlin, he forged friendships with two other young rabbis studying in Berlin: Joseph Soloveitchik and Yitzchok Hutner.


                              In 1933 Schneerson moved to France. According to histories authorized by Lubavitch, he studied at the Sorbonne in Paris, though official school records are ambiguous on this matter. He learned to speak French which he put to use in establishing his movement there after the war. The Chabad movement in France attracted many Jews who immigrated there from Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia.
                              America and leadership

                              In 1941 Schneerson escaped from France on the Serpa Pinto, which was the last boat to cross the Atlantic ocean before the U-boat blockade began, and joined his father-in-law Rabbi Joseph Isaac Schneersohn in the Crown Heights section Brooklyn, New York. He spent some time working in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. In 1942, his father-in-law appointed him director of the movement's central organizations, placing him at the helm of a budding Jewish educational and hasidic outreach empire across the United States, Canada, Israel, and North Africa.

                              Schneerson instituted a system of "mitzvah campaigns" called mivtzoim; these encouraged Jews to be keep kosher, observe Shabbat, learn more Torah, help in writing a Torah scroll, taught women to observe the niddah laws of Jewish family purity (laws pertaining to menstruation and ritual immersion afterwards in a pool of water known as a mikveh), accepting a belief in Moshiach (the Jewish Messiah). They went out to street-corners, and rode in "Mitzvah tanks", mobile outreach centers, encouraging Jews to increase their religious observance. He also launched a campaign to promote observance of the Noahide Laws among gentiles.

                              Following the death of Schneerson's wife in 1988 he withdrew from some public functions and became generally more reclusive. In 1991, he stated that: "I have done everything I can do to bring Moshiach (the Jewish Messiah), now I am handing over to you (his followers) the keys to bring Moshiach." A final campaign was started to bring the messianic age through acts of "goodness and kindness" and his followers placed advertising in the mass media such as many full-page ads in the New York Times urging everyone to contribute toward the messiah's imminent arrival, by increasing in their good deeds.

                              During these appearances his followers would chant, what would come to be a very controversial "mantra" among the Lubavitchers : Yechi Adonenu Moreinu v'Rabbeinu Melech Hamoshiach l'olam voed! - "Long live our Master our Teacher and our Rabbi King Messiah forever and ever!" When sung before him in has last months, Schneerson evidently vigorously encouraged the singing by swaying to and fro and swinging his hand, as he had done at the numerous farbrengens over the years. From this and his previous public statements his followers "extrapolated" that he acceded to their wish that he be the "Messiah". But that moment never arrived, as he died unable to verbalize and say anything to confirm his followers' longed-for dream that he be the actual long-promised Jewish Messiah.


                              The Messiah question, combined with a Chabad tradition that the Messiah would come after the seventh Rebbe, probably complicated his succession. Chabad Hasidim believe that there is no successor to Rabbi Schneerson, and that he is in that sense still their leader. Many believe that he will return as the Messiah;