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**M from M** · 07-15-2011, 06:21 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

Yep,they can. One of your verses is an added qualifier.

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2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth

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...they all might be damned who believed not the truth....[ i'd say there
will be some that will believe ..... ]

**Guest** · 07-15-2011, 07:20 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

2 thess 2:12 seems to me to say that all those who did not believe before the rapture will be given strong delusion and will not be able to get saved during the tribulation period....

**Humble** · 07-15-2011, 07:42 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

We know that those people that take the mark and worship the beast cannot be redeemed, but it appears that a multitude will refuse the mark and be martyred(sp?) for not doing so.
We also know that an Angel will proclaim the Gospel throughout the world so every person has an opportunity to come to Jesus before He comes back for the 2nd time.

**Guest** · 07-15-2011, 08:18 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

Revelation 20:4

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So yes, a certain number (although we don't know how many) are saved during the tribulation.
I knew it was in there somewhere, just had to search for it.

**Andy** · 07-15-2011, 08:21 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

Here's a document I wrote many years ago on this subject (sorry for the formatting - I really worked on it):

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SECOND CHANCES?

Over the years of studying prophesy and end times I been asked (and have asked myself) if those that have heard the gospel pre-rapture will have a second chance to receive the gospel after the rapture. Along the pathway of studying this subject I have found some others that share what I believe. In the text below I quote Dr. Walvoord and Dr. Zuck. These two individuals are (or were) Professors at Dallas Theological Seminary. Since the first writing of this paper back in 1998 our brother Walvoord has gone to be with our Lord and knows for sure if this document is true or not. Please read,
enjoy and formulate your own opinions, but please try to let the Spirit of God guide your final analysis not emotions. I am not uncaring about the plethora of individuals that are our own loved ones that have heard and intentionally rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ (indeed, I have loved ones myself that are headed to a lost eternity and some of them I know for certain have clearly heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and intentionally said, “NO!” to God plea for their salvation. Thinking of them going to a lost eternity is not without much trepidation and deep sorrow.

2 Thessalonians 2

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For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth, will let, until he be taken out of the way.

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And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

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Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power and
signs and lying wonders,

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And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved.

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And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

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That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness (bold text added for emphasis).

Notice in verse 10 that they (those that are perishing) received not the “LOVE of the truth that they might be saved”. This clearly speaks to me that this is someone that heard the truth, understood the truth, yet did not love the truth. As such God makes SURE that they will not believe the truth (verse 11) so that they might be damned who 1. didn’t believe it (you have to hear and understand in order to refuse to believe, do you not?) and 2. preferred instead of indulge themselves in unrighteousness.

If we receive the truth by faith alone, does it make any sense at all that God would make an exception for the after-rapture people? Remember Hebrews 11:6 says, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him (God):” Suddenly they have no reason to accept by faith - instead they actually see that what the Bible says is true. I have heard people say that the greatest prayer meeting ever to assemble will happen immediately after the Rapture by those who have realized that what they had been taught was right after all. Where is faith there? I believe very shortly after the Rapture there will be an explanation of the disappearance of those “weak
Christians” that put the minds of the remaining world to rest. The 11^th verse would seem to agree as God will stop them from believing. Will the explanation be UFO’s? Will it be (as the “New Agers” believe) that these weak-at-heart, non-believers (in the way of “things) have been taking to another planet for “rehabilitation” while those left on earth can finally move to a new level of evolution? I don’t know – scripture doesn’t tell us what it is they’ll believe but one thing I do believe is – I think we’re making a very serious mistake by telling the unsaved they don’t have to accept the gospel now, there’s always later. Perhaps we’re not “telling” them this in so many words but if we
lead people to believe they have time to decide if it’s true or not – are we not telling them they can wait and see if scripture is right? I’ve even seen supposed guides to “surviving after the Rapture.” I believe those that have heard and rejected will see these survival guides that explain what’s happened - but they simply will not have the ability to believe what’s there. Dr’s Walvoord and Zuck say this on verses 11 and 12:

The purpose of God in acting thus is to execute justice (cf. 1:6). Eternal condemnation will be the fate of all who on the one hand choose to disbelieve the truth and on the other hand but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The opposite of believing the truth is delighting in wickedness; a spiritual decision leads to it’s moral manifestation. This consequence befalls everyone who disbelieves the gospel.
Paul’s primary concern here is of course unbelievers who will be living when the man of sin will be revealed. But these principles of God’s judgment apply in all ages and can be seen in the 20^th century.

Is this passage saying that those who do not believe the gospel before the Wicked is revealed – and who are therefore not caught up to meet the Lord at the Rapture but sill live on the earth – cannot be saved after the Wicked has been revealed? Or can people who recognize but knowingly reject the truth of the gospel before the Rapture be saved after the Rapture takes place? The “strong delusion” (v. 11) that God will bring on these individuals in particular suggests that few if any then living on the earth will be saved after the Rapture. This seems to be a special judgment from God that will occur at this one time in history. The many saints which the Book of Revelation indicates will be living on the earth during the Tribulation may thus be people who did not hear and reject the gospel before
the Rapture (cf. Rev. 7:4) (The Bible Knowledge Commentary

John F. Walvoord and Roy B. Zuck, pg. 720, 721 C. 1983 SP Publications, Inc.).

One might ask, are you really trying to tell me that the multitudes in heaven that are talked about in Rev. 7, which we know are
‘Tribulation Saints,’ are people that never heard the gospel before the
Rapture?” Yes, this is what I believe. I ask my readers to think about how many tens of millions of people in Communist nations such as China, as well as Muslim led nations all around the world (the list of nations that reject the true God is almost endless) that have never heard of the name of Jesus at all, much less have the opportunity to accept/reject the gospel OF Jesus Christ. Only God knows the number. I also believe there will be some in the US that will have that opportunity. I know that most everyone here in this so-called Christian country has heard of Jesus but how many haven’t heard the real story? So many people view him as a baby born in a manger, not a risen Christ that died for their sins. What about children born during the Tribulation? I believe
there will be millions of children, ages 5, 6 or 7 that will accept the Gospel
of the Kingdom. Why not? I was saved at age 5.

Many times I hear Matthew 24:14 quoted and put into the wrong context. The verse states:

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And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come (bold text added for emphasis).

If you look at Matthew 24 as AFTER the Rapture this really changes the view of the chapter. Notice the bold text. It’s the Gospel of the KINGDOM that will be preached, not the Gospel of Jesus Christ that we preach now. So, with that in mind, we see that every man woman and child will
hear that gospel, after the Rapture…

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

(Thus fulfilling the Matthew 24:14 necessity to have the gospel preached to “all the world”).

I believe those that heard and rejected the “first gospel” will not be allowed by God (it is the Spirit that quickens the heart to
salvation) to accept the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Let me see if I can put things together. The gospel that John the Baptist preached was what? “Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” He knew that the Messiah was here and that IF the Jews had accepted Jesus for who he really was, he would have set up his Kingdom. John 13:1
says, “…when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father.…” This verse follows right after the chapter where the Pharisees (the religious leaders of the day) had publicly rejected him. Now that it was clear that the leading religious sect had no intention of accepting Christ as their Messiah, it was “time to go to the Father.” But Jesus loved his own SO much that he stayed for the expressed purpose of dying so he could be raised and begin setting up his Church. So, he dies, is resurrected and ascends into heaven, and the Church age begins. Now, approximately 2000 years later he Raptures his Church to himself and things go back much the same way they were
before. Sacrifices will be offered in a Jewish temple and that Gospel of the Kingdom will again be preached. The Church age is, in a sense, a huge parenthesis in the plan of God for his people, Israel. Many of the promises in the Old Testament were “put on hold” while the Church age grew. Now, of course, the Church itself was prophesied in the Old Testament as well, but many of the promises specific TO Israel are yet to be fulfilled.

Let’s look at it from another point of view…the viewpoint I’ve heard so many times that says, “God’s grace and mercy will continue to let folks in, even after the rapture”. Noah spent 120 years preaching to those around him but his message was soundly rejected (1 Peter 3:20). Once the 120 years ended and the door of the ark was SHUT there was no more mercy. I’m supposing when the rain started pouring down and the flooding began there were thousands of people pounding on the door of the ark wanting in. Suddenly their faith (or lack thereof) was replaced by sight when the judgement began. It was simply too late to change their minds. Another example: When Lot was taken out of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah no one believed him. Once the judgment fell there was no way to escape the city. It was simply too late. One last example: when Joshua and the Israelites marched around the walls of Jericho for seven days, any one of those city dwellers could have gone out of the city and
begged mercy of the God of Israel and they would have gotten it. They could have even gone to Rahab’s house and sought shelter there and gotten it. BUT … once the walls fell down there was NO mercy shown. My guess is many people ran out of their houses, fell on their faces before the soldiers and begged mercy, knowing that they had been wrong. What would have happened? They would have
been killed on the spot. It was simply too late.

I certainly welcome any comments, questions or differing opinions, provided they are based on scripture.

Thank you!

In His GLORIOUS Name,

Andy

**M from M** · 07-15-2011, 10:11 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

lewisb,

Your question is wonderful.

"lewisb" = Can they be saved after the rapture ?
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May i ask this one item at a time?

Who/Whom is "they" refering to ?

I may be assuming one thing and you are talking about another.

BE BLESS't

**Guest** · 07-16-2011, 12:18 AM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

"""they"" people that arent raptured . runs the distance between those who said no to Jesus--to those who were so busy they never really made a decision-- to those of another (( pagan)) faith who never had enough information about Jesus OR were deceived by a pagan faith....

Or "they/those"deceived by "Religious" apostates or confidence men....
I'm reminded of the founder of Scientology who founded a religion because he wanted a tax free organization to frustrate the IRS ...... how many has he willingly led to hell?

So you see ""they"" covers quite a lot of different senarios..... perhaps some groups will be given a chance and others not.....

some say that those who refused Jesus will get the strong delusion and hellfire while the ignorant or deceived will get a chance to be saved

I dont really know

**Boston** · 07-16-2011, 08:07 AM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

This question is what I suspect revelation 10:7 is referring to.

The mystery of God is nothing more nor less than the final sum of all Gods revelations and doings for the reinstatement of man into his lost inheritance. – Seiss, lectures on the apocalypse

Whenever speaking of salvation, we speak of the passion of Jesus’ love. Of his daring and bold rescue of those who are not worthy. I feel we should always have our emphasis on His outstretched hand in our speech and hearts. Rather than the cold insanity of those who will not hear.

**M from M** · 07-16-2011, 12:57 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

Thank You lewisb,

bbl

**M from M** · 07-17-2011, 04:09 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

lewisb,

i believe many , will be "saved" after the 'Rapture'.
Will come back later with verses.

However *; i do not believe that they"" will be part of

" THE BRIDE of CHRIST"

bbl

**Guest** · 07-17-2011, 06:04 PM

Re: Can they be saved after the rapture ?

However *; i do not believe that they"" will be part of

" THE BRIDE of CHRIST"

Thats right... the Old Testiment saints are the 10 virgins/ guests at the wedding......
The Bride is believers from penticaust to the rapture
The Tribulation saints are killed for their faith, rule with Jesus 1000 Years.
The Millennial saints are the believing righteous during the Millennial kingdom.

The church returns as and in the New Jerusalem Rev 21:2 after the New heavens and the new Earth