Prophetic Implications: Signs in the heavens

[Butterfly]

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Humm I really wonder now if what is in that video is what these pictures are of, The black object in these pics are bigger than the moon.

What, when, where was this photo taken? Is there a link of the source. Is that blue looking planet the earth?

[Guest]

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What, when, where was this photo taken? Is there a link of the source. Is that blue looking planet the earth?

Top photo was taken July 5th and bottom July 7th...where? my backyard so no not the earth lol. It was black in the pictures, I lightened it up a bit to see better. In the top photo, the moon is directly underneath the black object.

[Butterfly]

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Multicolored fireball in sky dazzles Southwest

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44529188...science-space/

Did anyone see this?

From the description of the eyewitnesses, it sounds more like a UFO than a fireball. I mean changing color from green to red to blue...

[Butterfly]

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Why Sept 29 will not fulfill Rev 12.

I thought this was an interesting article as we discussed this a bit way back in this thread.

http://www.raptureready.com/featured...y/jack190.html

Wendy

Wendy, I don't think I've heard of Jack Kelly or read his material. I will read the article to see how he interprets Revelation 12 and how he interprets this same sign down to the detail based on forecasted space events will appear in the sky in a few days.

[Butterfly]

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7 ton satellite set to fall back to Earth

NASA says a defunct seven-ton satellite is due to re-enter the atmosphere - with the potential to rain debris upon Earth.

The Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, or UARS, is expected to come down in late September or early October, the space agency said today in an advisory. "Although the spececraft will break into pieces during re-entry, not all of it will burn up in the atmosphere," NASA said.

more
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/...-back-to-Earth

NASA space junk experts have refined the forecast for the anticipated death plunge of a giant satellite, with the U.S. space agency now predicting the 6 1/2-ton climate probe will plummet to Earth around Sept. 23, a day earlier than previously reported.

http://www.space.com/12982-dead-nasa...h-sept-24.html

Hmm... veddy intarresting. Same day as the UN vote. I know, just a coincidence.

The question is where will it land and what damage will it do?

[Guest]

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NASA space junk experts have refined the forecast for the anticipated death plunge of a giant satellite, with the U.S. space agency now predicting the 6 1/2-ton climate probe will plummet to Earth around Sept. 23, a day earlier than previously reported.

http://www.space.com/12982-dead-nasa...h-sept-24.html

Hmm... veddy intarresting. Same day as the UN vote. I know, just a coincidence.

The question is where will it land and what damage will it do?

from your article
I guess we'll see soon enough

NASA officials expect the UARS satellite to fall over a region somewhere between the latitudes of northern Canada and southern South America, which leaves a vast swath of the world open as a possible re-entry point. About 75 percent of the Earth's surface is covered in water, which makes an ocean splashdown likely, NASA and experts have said.

[Butterfly]

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Top photo was taken July 5th and bottom July 7th...where? my backyard so no not the earth lol. It was black in the pictures, I lightened it up a bit to see better. In the top photo, the moon is directly underneath the black object.

WOW!!!!! No wonder they brought 3 of the astronauts home from the Space Station and are in the process of bringing the rest as fast as they can. And no wonder Obama is headed for Denver Airport just before Elenin aligns on the 27th! No wonder he read from Psalm 46. He knows what's coming!

If Planet X is indeed behind Elenin... oh boy! Yikes! GASP!!! We've seen 2 smaller bodies following Elenin in many pictures/videos. But something that large that dwarfs our moon is so close! I trust you wouldn't push a hoax on us, Debbie. I know you wouldn't.

Breathe, breathe, breathe, Butterfly. Okay, I've calmed down. I'm okay.

That picture tells a story! I can tell you are in a place where you can really see the night sky without city lights obscuring what's out there.

[Guest]

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WOW!!!!! No wonder they brought 3 of the astronauts home from the Space Station and are in the process of bringing the rest as fast as they can. And no wonder Obama is headed for Denver Airport just before Elenin aligns on the 27th! No wonder he read from Psalm 46. He knows what's coming!

If Planet X is indeed behind Elenin... oh boy! Yikes! GASP!!! We've seen 2 smaller bodies following Elenin in many pictures/videos. But something that large that dwarfs our moon is so close! I trust you wouldn't push a hoax on us, Debbie. I know you wouldn't.

Breathe, breathe, breathe, Butterfly. Okay, I've calmed down. I'm okay.

That picture tells a story! I can tell you are in a place where you can really see the night sky without city lights obscuring what's out there.

ROFLOL no, I sure wouldn't. That began my 'looking into the skies' and wondering what it was, trying to figure it out. Am I ready to say for certain that is planet X, no, cause I really do not know but I do know I wonder if that is the same object as in the last video from the palaoa observatory at nuemayer.

The nearest town to me is about a mile down the road, less than 200 people so not a lot of lights. The street I live on only had 10 homes and 3 streetlights, so I get a pretty good view of the sky from my backyard. In those pics I was facing the west roughly 10 pm.

[Butterfly]

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Why Sept 29 will not fulfill Rev 12.

I thought this was an interesting article as we discussed this a bit way back in this thread.

http://www.raptureready.com/featured...y/jack190.html

Wendy

Wendy, I finally read that article by Jack Kelly. I will try to be kind in my response. This is one man's interpretation of Revelation 12.

IF and a BIG IF Revelation 12 is chronological, then I can see his reasoning. But I don't believe and never did believe Revelation 12 is chronological in the events of the 7 year Tribulation period, and I don't know of too many Bible teachers who teach it's chronological.

He almost insults people who think maybe the sign of Virgo giving birth to Venus with Saturn ready to devour her child on September 29, is yet another fulfillment of Rev. 12 - possibly a picture of the birth of the Palestinian state on September 29.

Couldn't God be giving us a sign to let us watchers know where we are in prophesy? Could God possibly operate outside of the box?

For one thing, my understanding of the Book of Revelation is based on Calvary Chapel teaching of eschatology since 1989. I've heard so many of Chuck Smith's teachings on Revelation and he has always stated he believed that Rev. 12 is not chronological but definitely a parenthetical insertion.

Mr. Kelly admits Jesus spoke of signs in the heavens, sun, moon and stars, but he says this sign of Virgo on 9/29/11 is not a sign in the heavens? I'm not going to just let pre-conceived ideas blind me from what I see before me. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a ducks, then it's very likely a duck.

Mr. Kelly apparently has always believed Revelation 12 can only be fulfilled when Israel flees to Petra 3.5 years after the the 70th week begins, but he believes Rev. 12 has 3 literal fulfillments. He even lists 3 fulfillments: the birth of Jesus, Satan being sent to earth, and the Jews fleeing to the desert. Here he contradicts himself because the birth of Jesus does not/did not/will not happen 3.5 years after the Tribulation begins/began, nor was/will Satan be kicked out of Heaven 3.5 years after the Tribulation began/begins. With God there is no present, past or future tense. God is outside of time. Mr. Kelly apparently is still stuck in linear time in his thinking and understanding of Bible history and prophesy. Linear time is for earth events. There is no linear time for God.

In other words Mr. Kelly contends the first 2 fulfillments of Revelation 12 happened in linear time, chronologically 2,000 years ago when Jesus was born and that of a coming war when Satan and his angels were/will be kicked out of heaven. Has it happened yet or is it still to happen? I think it happened back in Genesis chapter 1, or will it happen in the Millennium? Either way it doesn't/didn't happen 3.5 years after the Tribulation.

He says: "While Sept. 28-29 are the scheduled dates for Rosh Hashanah this year, and while the rapture could happen on any given day, Rev. 12 definitely can not be fulfilled on Sept. 29, nor on any other day this year or the next or the one after and here's why."

For one all of these fulfillments are in different periods of linear time, Revelation 12 must be a parenthetical chapter and not a chronological chapter. And most importantly one cannot say with certainty "God cannot do such and such." God can do anything He wants.

I never thought the sign of Virgo is the sign of the Rapture --but it could be. I think actually the sign of Virgo is the sign of the birth of Palestine which is what Scripture refers to as the nations dividing Israel in Amos, Joel, Zechariah etc etc.

He says Christians who wonder if the sign of Virgo is another fulfillment of Rev 12 are commiting astrology, having itching ears, and having zeal without knowledge.

He says here in his article:
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"...a youTube video and an online article have apparently convinced a lot of people that the fulfillment of Rev. 12 and the rapture of the Church will both occur on Sept 29th of this year, which is the annual celebration of Rosh Hashanah, also known as the Feast of Trumpets."

The videos I've seen don't say "will happen" they say "could happen". Nobody can say "will happen".

He says here:
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"But it's also true that by and large Revelation is a chronological book. Otherwise, tribulation believers would not be able to tell what would be coming and when. Since the Book was primarily written to explain end times events to people on Earth at the time, if it isn't chronological it couldn't fulfill its purpose and would have no value to them."

The Book of Revelation was written primary to ALL Christians because a promise if given to all to read it, not just Tribulation saints.

"By and large" means "mostly", meaning some is chronological and some is parenthetical. "By and large" doesn't mean "all". In fact I believe some of Revelation is chronological but not all of it, it's 3 dimensional and written as a scroll.

So that's what I think in a big nutshell. Haha. I don't mean disrespect to Mr. Kelly, but I don't really agree with much of what he said of the sign of Virgo on 9/29/11. Actually, there are a lot of gems to be gleaned from the article and a lot to set aside and go with your gut as the Spirit leads. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher. I think we should watch and see what happens and then look back... if we are still here.

[Guest]

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Butterfly this is for you, The Video is not very good, it's the best I could do with the camera I have. I believe this is Elenin, it appeared shortly after the sun went behind the trees, I was so excited to finally see it.



and the latest from palaoa, looks like maybe that black object could be a comet

[wendyj]

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Butterfly --to be honest I quickly scanned Kelly's response and have not had time to really process. I have had quite a busy time here with relatives from England and some business problems that are weighing us down.

My mind is quite full. So I am glad that you have had time to go through the article and analyze it I wll try and do the same in the next few days if I am still here ---ha ha--hope not!

I did think it would provide some things to ponder and to weigh with some of the other things we are looking at. I too value the calvary chapel input into Biblical exegesis . Thank God for people like Chuck Smith JD and my own pastor who is actually a well known Canadian Artist if you google Graeme Shaw , painting you will be able to see what he paints and he teaches God's word line on line which is refreshing. Anyway I digress --thanks for looking at Jack Kelly's article.

ewndy

[Butterfly]

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Butterfly this is for you, The Video is not very good, it's the best I could do with the camera I have. I believe this is Elenin, it appeared shortly after the sun went behind the trees, I was so excited to finally see it.



and the latest from palaoa, looks like maybe that black object could be a comet

I saw it! Thank you so much, Debbie! It looks like that could be a comet.
And the palaoa video is 3 days after the last one you posted. The black object doesn't seem much bigger, does it? Maybe it's the head of the comet? Whatever it is it is a good size if it's covering that much of the sun, don't you think? I looked at JPL's orbit of Elenin and she's almost in front of the sun.

On 9/27/11 she will be perfectly aligned with the sun and earth. On 9/28/11 Mercury joins the alignment opposite the earth, a 5 planet alignment -- Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Moon-Earth. Next week!!! Something's gonna happen.

An event we've been watching, discussing and waiting for since May/June.

[Guest]

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I saw it! Thank you so much, Debbie! It looks like that could be a comet.
And the palaoa video is 3 days after the last one you posted. The black object doesn't seem much bigger, does it? Maybe it's the head of the comet? Whatever it is it is a good size if it's covering that much of the sun, don't you think? I looked at JPL's orbit of Elenin and she's almost in front of the sun.

On 9/27/11 she will be perfectly aligned with the sun and earth. On 9/28/11 Mercury joins the alignment opposite the earth, a 5 planet alignment -- Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Moon-Earth. Next week!!! Something's gonna happen.

An event we've been watching, discussing and waiting for since May/June.

Watch the Palaoa video again, full screen at 19 seconds frame 41/144, when it first appears, look at the shape. That looks like a comet in that frame.

You saw it too? Cool, and if that is Elenin, it's not so small.

[Guest]

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here's the image, enlarged from palaoa I'm talking about

[Butterfly]

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YIKES!!! Do you see that, Boston? I saw a strange shape on the first palaoa footage you posted but I missed it in the second one. I saw it at 19 seconds as it first appears on the horizon, it's kind of an angle view, almost a side view and by golly it looks like a comet!! And then after that the tail gets behind her as the earth revolves or whatever and we just see the head view. I guess??

If that is Elenin, it didn't disintegrate. That would be 19 days into September and Spaceweather.com reported on Aug 30 that Elenin appeared to breaking apart. Right.

Thanks for blowing it up Debbie.