White House waiting for Netanyahu to accept Obama’s peace talk principles

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"Those discussions are ongoing. The time frame for those discussions is kind of compressed, because UN rules basically say that the Palestinians have to submit all the paperwork before the Security Council actually meets in September .That really pushes us back into July, so we’ve got basically a month to see if we can work something out with the Israelis and Palestinians on accepting these principles as a basis for negotiations. If that happens, we are somewhat confident that the Palestinians would drop their action in the UN.”

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...iples-1.367071

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Question: Why is it so important to Obama (the U.S.) that the Palestinians drop their UN bid for statehood?

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Some quotes from the article from the White House official. To me, it seems like the White House (specifically Obama himself) is pushing to be the one in charge of "confirming the covenant" (which means agreement) and not the UN.

Am I reading too much into this notion? Trying to see something that's not really there?

There is a chance to avert the UN General Assembly vote in September on the recognition of the Palestinian state, said the White House official in a conference call with U.S. Jewish leaders. The Palestinians have been “fairly forthcoming on this score,” he stressed, and now the ball is in Netanyahu’s court.

"Our European partners, and we in Washington, are waiting to see whether the parties are actually going to sign up to the President’s principles as a basis for negotiations.

“the Palestinians would accept those [Obama's] principles as a basis for negotiations, if the Israelis did - and now we are waiting to see whether the Israelis can do this.

'Listen, at this point there is an alternative out there, there’s motion, we have principles that both sides have agreed on, we have a basis for talks, there is no need at this point to go to the UN. That’s where we want to be.”

Simon stressed that the U.S. Administration wants “to head it off,” and that President Obama tried to rally European support and wanted to show that there was some action, and that the U.S. will oppose the Palestinian action in the UN, no matter what.

The U.S., he stressed, is the essential player, and not the French. At the end of the day, it’s the U.S. who is going to frame the agreement.

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Re: White House waiting for Netanyahu to accept Obama’s peace talk principles

Some quotes from the article from the White House official. To me, it seems like the White House (specifically Obama himself) is pushing to be the one in charge of "confirming the covenant" (which means agreement) and not the UN.

Am I reading too much into this notion? Trying to see something that's not really there?

Hi Butterfly
jmho?
I don't believe it is "the covenant" yet, but I would agree what you are seeing is the fact the US has a need to be the one that settles Israel.
But like I say jmvho.

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This may seem way off base but ...
I know many are making a big deal out of Islam but for me, not some teaching or teacher, it makes no sense.
If you take the references in the NT of the Tower of Babel, the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah those alone point to the spirit that is dominate at the time. Never mind Isa 19(24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”) or the fact Egypt and Jordan seem to leave Israel alone.
Or the fact when the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob punishes them they shake their fist at Him. Or three and half years of relative peace. And on and on.
That doesn't sound like Islam to me at all. It sounds like man totally controlled by his human spirit. His pride and false "peace and security" he thinks he can create without the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, Jesus.
That spirit is what we in the "west"(the quote christian world) are promoting in our democracy and not Islam*

But that is jmvho

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And being promoted in all the religions in the world. Including many christian churches.

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I see what you mean, SAT. God blessed Egypt and Jordon and they left Israel alone to present. Now All of the riots happening in the ME and the world for the sake of "democracy", to overthrow governments. And this can pay the way for the Muslim governments to fill in the void. I do think Islam will be the precursor or the actual OWR of the AC. And I tell ya, the whole mystery and wonder (even seemingly "messianic" qualities) surrounding Obama just leaves me completely dumbfounded.

We definitely see the NT references to the end of the age in what is happening today in official Government promotions of these NT references world wide - homosexuality, abortion, anti-Christian, anti-Israel teachings, etc., like never before. Seems like more and more celebrities are "apologizing" publicly for an anti-Semitic slur.

This is not our Home. I just pray that I am as malleable as I can be for Jesus to complete His work in me and that I share Christ's offer of forgiveness wherever I can and I am just waiting anxiously for His return.

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I see what you mean, SAT. God blessed Egypt and Jordon and they left Israel alone to present. Now All of the riots happening in the ME and the world for the sake of "democracy", to overthrow governments. And this can pay the way for the Muslim governments to fill in the void. I do think Islam will be the precursor or the actual OWR of the AC. And I tell ya, the whole mystery and wonder (even seemingly "messianic" qualities) surrounding Obama just leaves me completely dumbfounded.

We definitely see the NT references to the end of the age in what is happening today in official Government promotions of these NT references world wide - homosexuality, abortion, anti-Christian, anti-Israel teachings, etc., like never before. Seems like more and more celebrities are "apologizing" publicly for an anti-Semitic slur.

This is not our Home. I just pray that I am as malleable as I can be for Jesus to complete His work in me and that I share Christ's offer of forgiveness wherever I can and I am just waiting anxiously for His return.

Amen it will be wonderful.
I hope you don't mind. I know sometimes responding can come across as arguing but my intent is share my thoughts/observations.
The Islam those promoting this theory in Christianity, would never stand for sin.
What Obama and the west are promoting is the division of Israel something many who profess to be pro Israel do not have a problem with. In fact they are into protecting the new divided Israel. This theory is from an area of Christianity and not Judism or Islam.
The reason for negotations? Is the same reasoning for what we are seeing in the riots. The lessons learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. People must believe/think they came up with the solution. Which is why universities, google, corporate & internet world, humanitarian organizations, all the NGO's
were used to shift the thinking in the riot areas over the last many many years.
PS
It is also the reason freedom of choice in religion is an important part of the movement.

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Oh PS
It is mvho the majority of man must willingly surrender his heart to the AC. The few who refuse to say the majority are right will be "beheaded". This will actually be very spiritually motivated in their reasoning. After all they will have what they see as god standing before them, telling them they all worshiped him in their own way. Something all the religions have already started to accept. His arrival to them will confirm it to them. Those who reject him are reject god in their eyes.
Islam would be by force and leave an excuse for conversion. A form of self justification. Man will believe in his choice to the point of being angry at the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Cheer the death of the two witnesses of God.
Israel will be different all together.

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I don't receive different thoughts and observations as arguing at all. I appreciate reading all the opinions and observations about what we are seeing in our world today because I am trying to understand what is really happening in light of Scripture and prophesy.

So true, SAT. Humanism in the world must reach fruition and sin must reach full measure. We know that Islam has zero tolerance for infidels, even for those non-Christian false religions. I think Islam will incorporate other aspects in Hinduism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness, Satanism, etc. Or else some of these deceived people see the error of their ways and see the "truth" in Islam.

But Israel will not be deceived. They may be initially deceived by the leader who brokers peace in their land, and perhaps allows them to rebuild their Temple.

Believers as well as the earth are groaning for our Creator. I long for the Kingdom of God, to be with my God and my loved ones whom I miss so very much. And Jesus tarries so we can share the Good News until Father deems the harvest is ripe for picking and then He sends His Son to come take us to our true Home before His wrath is poured out. He knows who are still deciding and He will wait till the last one has made his/her decision for Jesus. Till then I will cling to Jesus for dear life.

Death and suffering is so foreign to us who are still living because our soul and spirit are eternal and never dies, so for our hearts and minds to see death and suffering, it is foreign. I believe at conception we were sent from Heaven to be born into this foreign world ruled by Satan and after we are born again we long to go back from whence we came.

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Yep and the majority in Islam have already moved in that direction. What we are still seeing in the news is the (literally) dieing few who are hanging on to radical Islam.
But Butterfly we must always remember our God is still in control and not Satan.
Death, for those who serve God, is a personal rapture.

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We miss them. We can enter their world through prayer, as we walk in both worlds through our prayers. But we cannot see them. So we miss them.
But for them it is rapture.

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That's right! Islam, the so-called TROP (The Religion of Peace) openly condemns radical-Islam.

Wow, we are witnessing the evolving of Islam from the traditional radical terrorist Islam into this seemingly more peace-loving, democracy-loving Islam, which still secretly adheres to it's core teachings. Doesn't the Koran say it's okay to lie if lying serves the purposes of Allah?

Nearly every world government publicly declares that Islam is a peaceful religion, even "Christian" religious leaders!

I think the official religion of Islam now reigns over the kings of the earth. God calls her Babylon the Great, the Mother of Prostitutes, and of the Abominations of the Earth. We are watching on the news "the kings of the earth commit adultery with her, and the inhabitants of the earth are intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries" (Rev. 17)

So interesting. We see Islamic government armies fight against Islamic militants to stop the terrorism/uprisings. We see other nations' government officials (especially the U.S.) declare Muslim Brotherhood is peace loving and democratic and also promote CAIR, and on the face they seem to be such.

Seems to me the kings of the earth are committing adultery with the religion of Islam (Mystery Babylon), not Catholicism. Islam is a mystery because so much is hidden from open view.

Maybe as more Muslims get into the world's governments they will enact softer/user friendly Sharia Law principles into government and slowly incorporate more and more and all of Sharia Law into all aspects of government from nation to nation to nation..... Middle East nations, African nations, European nations, UK nations, North American nations, South American nations, Far Eastern nations..... And this process is well underway throughout the world, probably much further along into the process than we even know.

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We miss them. We can enter their world through prayer, as we walk in both worlds through our prayers. But we cannot see them. So we miss them.
But for them it is rapture.

It is so perfect where they are. I truly hope I can suffer for the cause of Christ, thus be more like Him, so completely humble. As much as I want the Rapture NOW, part of me would not mind going through the Tribulation so I can suffer for His sake and die for Him.

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Re: White House waiting for Netanyahu to accept Obama’s peace talk principles

Wow, we are witnessing the evolving of Islam from the traditional radical terrorist Islam into this seemingly more peace-loving, democracy-loving Islam, which still secretly adheres to it's core teachings. Doesn't the Koran say it's okay to lie if lying serves the purposes of Allah?

Very true that is what they believe but the Bible tells us the deceit will be so strong that even the elect could be deceived if it were possible. I can only assume the reason they can't be is they are under God's protection.
Islam won't be lying but accepting another lie. imho that is what we are seeing, those in Islam (and other religions) being prepared to go from one lie to another.