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    http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...-borg.360291Dr

    Dr. Borg said the decision over whether Libya would be invited for the 5+5 summit meeting in Malta would be taken on May 3 in Rome. The 5+5 meeting, is due to be held in June.

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    Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

    Mentioned in the Spain meeting too...

    http://www.isria.com/pages/19_April_2011_272.php

    Spain - Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister for Defence meet with Spanish Ambassadors to North Africa and Middle East
    At Viana Palace on Monday, the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Cooperation, Trinidad Jiménez, and the Minister for Defence, Carme Chacón, hosted a day of work, analysis and reflection on the processes currently taking place in countries in North Africa and the Middle East. The meeting was attended by nineteen accredited ambassadors in North African and Middle Eastern countries.

    The meeting enabled those attending to provide first-hand accounts of their experience in these countries and to analyse the current situation and movements that are taking place, thus providing an overall image of the political and social dynamic in the region.

    Besides the two ministers and nineteen ambassadors, the conference was also attended by the State Secretary for Foreign and Ibero-American Affairs, Juan Antonio Yáñez-Barnuevo; the State Secretary for the European Union, Diego López Garrido; the State Secretary Director of the National Intelligence Centre, Félix Sanz Roldán; and the State Secretary for International Cooperation, Soraya Rodríguez, among others...........


    Next up was the State Secretary for Foreign and Ibero-American Affairs, Juan Antonio Yáñez-Barnuevo, who provided a detailed analysis of the situation in North Africa and the Middle East and of the enormous potential that these processes have for changing the region in the medium and long term. Furthermore, he spoke about the possible role to be played in these changes by Spain, the European Union and the various forums for regional integration such as the 5+5 Forum, the Union for the Mediterranean and the Mediterranean Dialogue within the framework of NATO

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    • #3
      Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

      W O W ! !

      For those that may not understand the implications here...if indeed it is true that there will be a presence of a "Revived Roman Empire" in the last days - and we know it IS true that it will somehow be represented by 10 entities (10 toes of Daniel's vision of the statue (Daniel 2) (as well as other scriptures)) then this could be what we're seeing take place. Five toes will be of iron (strong) and five of clay (not strong and they don't mix very well). For many years prophecy teachers have pointed to the EU alone...and many of us has rejected that. Now that the Mediterranean Union has developed and they're talking about that being part of the "5+5" .. this could really be significant. This now puts together both the eastern bloc of nations and the western bloc that once made up the Roman Empire.

      I am one that believes this is REALLLLY worth watching!


      BTW fellow posters I recently had a sibling of mine visit WeDG and this sibling was completely overwhelmed with all of the info out here...and none of it seemed to have any explanation as to why this news event or that event was prophetically significant.

      So...what do y'all say that we have both "Prophecies" and "Interpretations" on our board (FROM scripture! Please keep in mind our position on extra-Biblical revelations)? Those that take the time to find and post the events and articles and, as in something like this, someone take the initiative to bring in WHY it's significant (or potentially)? I know I"m putting "someone" out and that can result in everyone thinking someone else will and then it never happens. Please pray about this. We want our board to not only be a place where we can find the most relevant events but WHY are they relevant needs to be here...pretty much may be just as important. Those of us that have been watching for decades take these things almost for granted...we know why something like this article may be significant...but how many visitors don't?

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        Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

        Just adding out of the original 10 (5 + 5 partnership) that Sarkozy proposed 3 of the original from the 2007 proposal were Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya)

        Daniel 7:24
        And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

        Not saying these were the 10 of Daniel/Revelation for sure as the AC has not arisen........ just interesting about what is happeing re: 3 of the 10 in this case.

        Strongs - subdue

        http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H8214&t=KJV


        1) to be or bring low, humble

        a) (Aphel) to bring low, humble

        The 10 kings could imo arise from such a partnership...of Resurrected Rome. The Mediterranean Union countries of which the 5 + 5 represent is almost an exact overlay of the Old Roman Empire.

        Also, re: 10...3 plucked up by the roots

        Daniel 7:8
        I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

        Strongs - plucked up

        http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H5428&t=KJV

        1) to pull up, expel, root out, pluck up

        a) (Qal) to pull or pluck up

        b) (Niphal) to be plucked up

        c) (Hophal) to be plucked up
        Last edited by cnav; 04-20-2011, 10:39 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

          Here is Sarkozy's original proposal.......post #14 on this WEDG thread...

          http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=26047

          Note the 5 + 5

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007...romtheguardian

          June 15, 2007

          The new French president, now boosted by his party's success in the first round of parliamentary elections last Sunday, appears ready not just to push through reforms in France, but to realise ambitions further afield.

          "The time has come to build . . . a Mediterranean union linking Europe and Africa," Nicolas Sarkozy said on the night he was elected last month. His words were well received on the southern shores of the Mediterranean. Morocco's King Muhammad assured the French president of his "commitment to work with France to build a new Mediterranean union". President Ben Ali of Tunisia said he would cooperate in "making the Mediterranean a place of peace, cooperation and co-development".

          The topic was on the agenda when Mr Sarkozy visited Spain last month.
          Madrid supports the Barcelona process (which marked the start of the Euro-Mediterranean partnership in 1995) and is open to the idea of a Mediterranean union. "This idea is of great interest to us," said Spain's prime minister, José Luis Zapatero. Italy's prime minister, Romano Prodi, said: "We have discussed this in the past and it is also a priority for Italy." Portugal, which will be taking over the European Union's rotating presidency on July 1, is also keen to keep Mediterranean cooperation high on the agenda.

          Mr Sarkozy wants to set up a five-plus-five partnership involving southern European countries (Spain, France, Greece, Italy and Portugal) in direct cooperation with their North African neighbours (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt). The plan is to develop links, then use the EU as a blueprint for setting up an institutional framework focusing on economic issues.

          Will this happen.....are theae the 10 kings of Daniel and Revelation?

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            Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

            Also from the Spain to host MU thread

            http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/emp...y-nations.html

            Note the modern countries of the Old Roman Empire (list under map)....note the 5 from the EU and 5 from the N. Africa Arab countries in the article above were part of the Old Roman Empire

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            • #7
              Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

              Two Mediterranean Union summits were cancelled due to the unsettled Israel/PA problem. Have to wonder if it will progress forward if a proposed solution is adopted.

              Israel and the PA are part of the Union and have been designated duties within the Union already...all is on hold pending an Israeli/PA agreement.

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                Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

                Thanks for pulling all that together in this thread, sister. I may pin this one..will review tomorrow when I have more time.

                What do y'all think (readers, other posters)? Does this thread warrant being pinned for awhile?

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                • #9
                  Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

                  Hi Andy...there is lots of info on the Spain to host MU thread already pinned. I will add this there too.

                  All has been on hold since the cancelled summits last June and in November I think it was, pending a solution re: Israel/PA. Let's see if this June meeting comes to fruition. They vote on Libya's inclusion/exclusion for the June meeting in Rome May 3rd.

                  I try to keep adding to the Spain thread re: the MU...but post anything I see on the 5 + 5 on a thread of its own just to show it's not yet dead!

                  I think this upcoming meeting is the one mentioned in post # 11 on this thread in an article from last fall. However the meeting for Nov. 8,9 was cancelled.
                  Last edited by cnav; 04-20-2011, 11:03 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

                    From one of my Malta threads re: MU 11/11/2010

                    Working on this..........

                    Just to share the following.........

                    Update re: the MU summit (cancellation....announcement expected today)......plus this week's unprecedented meeting in Malta (Note: Mare Nostrum!)

                    http://www.europeanvoice.com/article...led/69413.aspx

                    Even though this summit is cancelled I still think it significant the 5 + 5 partnership is now meeting with the anti-Israel Alliance of Civilizations (nations of the world)...(Turkey/Spain co-chairs) for the first time!!!.........just something to watch for future consideration!



                    Re: the Malta meeting....read whole article here


                    Malta - Speech by the Hon. Tonio Borg, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Foreign Affairs, during the First Alliance of Civilizations Regional meeting for the Mediterranean, 8-9 November 2010 – St. Julians

                    http://www.foreign.gov.mt/default.as...S=21&NWID=1270

                    The wording......."this Mare Nostrum" caught my attention! Also, re: the article...... I am fully confident that we can all in our own way and according to our respective experiences contribute tangibly to the successful implementation of the Regional Strategy for the Mediterranean supplemented by a related Action Plan that will be adopted in coming hours.

                    Mare Nostrum

                    Not only a Roman reference to the Mediterranean Sea (our sea)....but also the name for Barcelona's supercomputer!!


                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare_Nostrum (Re: Sea)

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MareNostrum (Re: Computer in Barcelona)...(also, headquarters of the MU)

                    MareNostrum is a supercomputer in the Barcelona Supercomputing Center, the most powerful in Spain. It was presented by IBM and María Jesús San Segundo, the Spanish Minister of Education and Science. It's one of the seven supercomputers of the Spanish Supercomputing Network.

                    Mare Nostrum ("our sea") was the Roman name for the Mediterranean Sea. The supercomputer is housed in the deconsecrated Chapel Torre Girona[5] at the Polytechnic University of Catalonia, Barcelona, Spain.


                    Catholic "deconsecration"

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconsecration



                    I think the above all may be significant in the coming days!


                    MU (5+5 partnership = 10 (kings?) (Daniel 2 empire?) + AOC (nations of the world)

                    Daniel 11:39; Joel 3:1,2
                    Last edited by cnav; 04-20-2011, 10:51 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

                      This upcoming meeting is mentioned in this article....

                      http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...terial-meeting

                      Malta will host the first regional conference for the Mediterranean of the United Nations Alliance of Civilisations on November 8 and 9.

                      The meeting will witness the participation of 49 countries, including Malta, and another 17 organisations.

                      The ministers of foreign affairs of Spain, Turkey and Egypt - Miguel Moratinos, Ahmet Davutoglu and Ahmed Abul Gheit, respectively, are expected to participate.
                      Other meetings held in Malta include the Mediterranean conference of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe which addressed, from a Mediterranean perspective.

                      In the first half of next year, Malta intends to host the second summit of the Western Mediterranean Forum known as the 5+5.


                      Head of States of the member countries will be present.

                      These include France’s Sarkozy, Libya’s Gheddafi and Italy’s Berlusconi.


                      The convening of this summit, the second of its sort in seven years, should among others serve to reaffirm the relevance of the 5+5 dialogue in the present-day context. Malta continues to attach great value to this informal mechanism, as a platform for open and frank discussion between north and south .

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                      • #12
                        Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

                        A related article to post #2 on this thread re: the Spanish king's visit to Malta from last fall....

                        King Juan Carlos discusses role Med states can play in ME peace process in Malta


                        http://www.laht.com/article.asp?Arti...tegoryId=12395

                        VALLETTA –

                        Juan Carlos’s visit to Malta, called “historic” by Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos, served to bring the two countries’ positions closer on one of the key issues confronting them: immigration.

                        The Spanish diplomatic chief publicly announced during the king’s visit that Spain will support Malta’s candidacy – as it vies with Cyprus and Bulgaria – to be the headquarters of the European Asylum Support Office, which will aid immigrants and refugees.

                        Maltese Prime Minister Lawrence Gonzi in his meeting with Juan Carlos said that Malta and Spain are the two ports of entry for immigrants to Europe.

                        In the meetings, the king also spoke about the interests of countries in southern Europe and the role that Mediterranean states can play in matters such as the Middle East peace process.

                        King Juan Carlos attended a reception offered by Gonzi where he viewed the document whereby Holy Roman Emperor Charles V – known as Carlos I in Spain – gave Malta in perpetual lease to the Order of Knights of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem in 1530.

                        Most of the majestic buildings in the archipelago’s walled capital of Valletta – now a World Heritage Site – were built by the knights, now known as the Knights of Malta, and those buildings now constitute the main government entities of the archipelago, including the prime minister’s residence, the presidential palace and others.


                        Post #2.....today's article



                        http://www.isria.com/pages/19_April_2011_272.php

                        Spain - Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister for Defence meet with Spanish Ambassadors to North Africa and Middle East

                        At Viana Palace on Monday, the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Cooperation, Trinidad Jiménez, and the Minister for Defence, Carme Chacón, hosted a day of work, analysis and reflection on the processes currently taking place in countries in North Africa and the Middle East. The meeting was attended by nineteen accredited ambassadors in North African and Middle Eastern countries.

                        The meeting enabled those attending to provide first-hand accounts of their experience in these countries and to analyse the current situation and movements that are taking place, thus providing an overall image of the political and social dynamic in the region.

                        Next up was the State Secretary for Foreign and Ibero-American Affairs, Juan Antonio Yáñez-Barnuevo, who provided a detailed analysis of the situation in North Africa and the Middle East and of the enormous potential that these processes have for changing the region in the medium and long term. Furthermore, he spoke about the possible role to be played in these changes by Spain, the European Union and the various forums for regional integration such as the 5+5 Forum, the Union for the Mediterranean and the Mediterranean Dialogue within the framework of NATO
                        Last edited by cnav; 04-20-2011, 11:17 PM.

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                          Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

                          CNAV: I know you have followed the 5 + 5 grouping closely. Here are a few questions for you and some comments.
                          I understand that the so called MU (Mediterranean Union) is made up of all EU countries (27) plus 16 Med partners plus Libya as observer. The actions of this MU are not those of a sovreign entity (like the EU now is by itself) but rather a coordinating, multilateral forum perhaps a bit like OAS (Organization of American states). The work of the MU is presently stalled as Arab countries will not attend meetings with Israel, one of the MU member states.
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_f..._Mediterranean

                          As you know Sarkozy of France proposed back in 2007 a 5+5 forum to consist of Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece and Portugal from Europe, along with Algeria, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt from North Africa. However the actual 5 + 5 now includes Malta (and not Greece) and Mauratania (and not Egypt). see link at
                          http://www.algeria-watch.org/en/arti.../med_union.htm

                          so while it is interesting that Egypt, Libya and Tunisia (along with numerous other Arab countries) are in disarray, Egypt is actually not part of the 10 member 5 + 5 "forum". Do you have different information?
                          Reference has been made in this thread to the 5 iron toes and 5 clay toes. I wonder which of the following would be classed as iron and which as clay: Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Malta, Algeria, Libya, Mauratania, Morocco and Tunisia. Personally I don't see more than perhaps two or three of these countries as being in any sense "strong".

                          Lastly, I believe that the statue of gentile might from Daniel's prophecy is related to Israel. Every country that was part of the statue from Babylon, Persia, Greece, and finally Rome was directly oppressing Israel territory in their respective turns. I do not see how the 5 +5 forum connects in a meaningful way with this sequence ending in 10 toes (other than the number happens to end up at 10). The 5 + 5 is a "forum" not a sovreign power. I doubt it has much if any prophetic significance, but I could easily be wrong. Just my thoughts.
                          Last edited by HSB; 04-22-2011, 07:24 AM.

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                            Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

                            Hi HSB,

                            I know there was a change in the 5 + 5 from 2007. You are right!

                            Much of this information should be on the Spain thread.

                            http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...t=26047&page=4

                            Egypt and France were the co-chair presidents for the first 2 years (2008-2010)....they were to rotate every two years. There was to be a president for the north (EU) and for the south (Arabs). Spain was to take over from France and it wasn't yet announced who was to take over from Egypt, but to me it looked like Morocco was being groomed for the position. However, the summit was cancelled where this was to be announced, due to the Israel/PA situation.

                            Israrel and the PA were to be part of the MU, even given positions within it....but, all was put on hold, but things continue in the background. There was recently a newly designated interim Secretary General from Italy, not surprising it was from Italy as they were designated to be over the financial institutions.

                            To me it is a perfect fit for the end-time Daniel 2 Empire...a divided kingdom (by the Mediterranean Sea) and a mixed, mingled people (EU/Christians (Rome)/Arab Muslims...it also fits the 10 king criteria of Daniel/Revelation representing the whole of the Old Roman Empire. Is it it???..I don't know, only God knows the future! I don't say it is, I just watch something I think worthy of watching, as it is appearing at such a time as many other signs of the times.

                            There will be a generation who will witness the 10 horns/kings in their formation stage at some point. You are right in saying the above re: the MU but remember it isn't formed yet and there could be many more changes yet in many more areas including the 5 + 5 members in the final stages......perhaps it will be formed, perhaps not...time will tell. The EU didn't form overnight and if the MU does indeed form, it won't either. Libya was proposed by Sarkozy in 2007 to be part of the 5 + 5 but then balked at the idea. Egypt became a co-chair and was replaced as a 5 + 5 member, lots of changes I expect will yet occur in its formation stage, if it indeed does come to fruition.

                            Revelation 17:12, 13


                            12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

                            13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


                            By the above verses if the 10 kings were to emerge from the MU, and if it were to be when we are still here it seems to me we could well see the beginning of their rise as they won't have their power base (be of one mind) until the AC has arisen and they give it to him. If they are to give their power to the AC, then they must arise just before him or at the same time as him to do so.

                            What a powerhouse that would be.....the EU/Arabs if this were to turn out to be the case. I as of yet am not ruling it out.

                            The idea of the 5 + 5 dialogue (partnership) isn't as new as it seems.......it goes back as far as the Barcelona Process, so I am not surprised Barcelona was chosen as the location for the Secretariat of the MU. A new approach to an old proposal.
                            Last edited by cnav; 04-22-2011, 06:24 PM.

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                              Re: 5 + 5 meeting scheduled for June

                              Another thought.......in regard to Israel/MU....Israel (and an agreement with the PA/Arabs) is central to the whole being of the Mediterranean Union's formation...it is what is holding up the whole process!

                              I have to wonder if an interim agreement may solve the hold up. Netanyahu has mentioned interim agreement, however no time-line or provisions of such an agreement has been agreed upon. If a covenant were to be agreed upon and confirmed by many, perhaps it could allow the MU to progress forward. However we know how it would all end if it indeed were to be the end-time scenario...all conjecture at this point. Anything is possible!
                              http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theloo...alks-to-resume

                              March 3/2011

                              Amid the stalled Middle East peace process, the Israeli government is considering proposing an interim arrangement with the Palestinians

                              The Israeli government is "seriously considering an initiative" that would represent a "phased approach to reaching a final peace accord," one Israeli official told the New York Times. The newspaper noted that Israeli officials "have not offered any details on the initiative, but have said that Israel is talking about it with 'relevant parties,' including the Obama administration."
                              Last edited by cnav; 04-22-2011, 04:45 PM.

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