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  • #16
    Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

    If they're "doing well", that should mean they are selling more product/services. That means they have to provide more to the buyers. To provide more, they should need more people to make more stuff and provide more services. So how do companies "do well" and not hire? Creative accounting? More profit because labor is down to .87 per hour?

    Originally posted by SAT
    I wonder more and more everyday why they are still keeping phrases like "American" "Japanese" "Canadian" etc companies.
    Good wondering. Maybe it's determined by where their headquarters are? Or maybe where they were originally? Regardless, that will gradually change over time; that is, nationality company.

    Issachar
    The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

    Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

    I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

    Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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    • #17
      Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

      jmvho
      Back in the sixties they really needed to expand the working force in NA. And the women's moment was fully pushed.
      Then they tried very hard to get more people in the stock market.
      And succeeded.
      They made the life of a product shorter and shorter to keep the turn over moving.
      But the North American market hit it's absolutely limit point any way.
      Right now the companies are making profits on the new wealth of third world countries.
      But the juggling game they are playing is reaching a pivotal point. Can they smoothly keep power in the west with the new norm of 10% unemployment????? And keep building in the poor countries????
      It is a new mix of free enterprise that has to be mixed with a form of socialism to keep those who fall through the cracks alive.
      Which is why Obama seems to be able to work with both sides of the floor.
      But that is just my guess.

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      • #18
        Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

        I've been reading a book by Dr. David Jeremiah: "The Coming Economic Armageddon" that I recommend. Got it from the Library.

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        • #19
          Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

          Originally posted by SAT View Post
          jmvho
          Back in the sixties they really needed to expand the working force in NA. And the women's moment was fully pushed.
          Then they tried very hard to get more people in the stock market.
          And succeeded.
          They made the life of a product shorter and shorter to keep the turn over moving.
          But the North American market hit it's absolutely limit point any way.
          Right now the companies are making profits on the new wealth of third world countries.
          But the juggling game they are playing is reaching a pivotal point. Can they smoothly keep power in the west with the new norm of 10% unemployment????? And keep building in the poor countries????
          It is a new mix of free enterprise that has to be mixed with a form of socialism to keep those who fall through the cracks alive.
          Which is why Obama seems to be able to work with both sides of the floor.
          But that is just my guess.

          I'm not so sure keeping that 10% alive is necessary to them.

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          • #20
            Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

            Wow Jim! I wanted to read that and forgot all about it. Thanks for the reminder! Could you share a tid-bit from it? I hope it is at a library near me.

            Issachar, has a lot of respect for Dr. Jeremiah ..
            The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

            Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

            I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

            Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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            • #21
              Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

              Originally posted by Jeanie View Post
              I'm not so sure keeping that 10% alive is necessary to them.
              I agree, there are groups that would just like to see it disappear but then that same group wouldn't be happy with only 10%.

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              • #22
                Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                Originally posted by SAT View Post
                jmvho
                It is a new mix of free enterprise that has to be mixed with a form of socialism to keep those who fall through the cracks alive.
                The churches used to take care of those "few" who fall through the cracks but now churches are mainly interested in building more buildings, adding bigger sound systems, etc., etc. Socialists are great at convincing people that they are some how entitled to certain goods and services without working for it. 2Thes:3:10, tells us if you don't work you don't eat!

                Studies show Democrats (where most of the socialists reside) are much less charitable at giving to the poor, other than with other people's money through government regulation. Obama started increasing his charitable giving in time to start running for President just as he all of a sudden was against earmarks! And the Biddens were really pathetic at their giving and still didn't increase it, to my knowledge. I have trouble believing that anyone in the US is going hungry (now called "food insecure") with all of the handouts that are available? California is finally going to stop welfare recipients from cashing in and gambling with their handouts. When I was a kid, we were embarrassed to be on welfare and tried to get off of it ASAP! Now it doesn't seem to have the same stigma and is just "gaming the system, as with filing bankruptcy!

                My neighbor was out of work for a short time and told me he was not going to sit at home like so many other people he knew who abused the system. He got a job right away. Now are people willing to go where the jobs are or do they insist on getting a job in their neighborhood? We have young people here on the east side of St. Louis that will travel all way across the City by bus to steal from the stores in the Malls but can't come to the same area to work a job because it is not convenient for them! When I was young (40 years ago) we traveled 2 states away to get what we thought were good jobs! Yes, it meant we were further from family but sacrifices have to be made! Just saw a study that when people know that unemployment is going to run out all of a sudden they are able to get jobs. I am not saying that good jobs are not more scarce but until the economy comes back (debatable as to how much it will come back) we have to take whatever jobs are available and wherever available during the interim! And young people, who don't want to take time and sacrifice to go to trade schools or college, still want to start out at the top in the job market. And if they do take a menial job and get laid off, they really "game the system" by continuing to draw unemployment and live with their parents! Thus, we have had to let the illegals come in and work the jobs that our kids think are below what they are worth. And of course due to the estimated 40 million abortions, since Roe vs. Wade, we have a shortage of young workers!

                The one thing we can all agree on is that the world is consumed by greed, whether it be taking advantage of workers or those taking advantage of the system through government handouts and programs, and it has fallen to a place where only God can straighten it out and maybe this is a major sign that He is soon a coming?

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                • #23
                  Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                  Dr. Jeremiah's book is available here:

                  Since 2008 when the current financial crisis began, calls have been heard for the establishment of a “new world economic order” to deal with international financial problems. World-level chaos has trickled down to the man on the street: unemployment, debt, foreclosures, and loss of hope. In The Coming Economic Armageddon, Dr. David Jeremiah covers ten crucial aspects of the present and future economic changes in our world—and reminds readers to keep their trust in God alone, the only true source of safety and security in our world. Order your copy today with your online gift of any amount to the ministry of Turning Point.
                  source

                  Issachar
                  The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                  Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                  I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                  Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                  • #24
                    Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                    Originally posted by John H. View Post
                    The churches used to take care of those "few" who fall through the cracks but now churches are mainly interested in building more buildings, adding bigger sound systems, etc., etc. Socialists are great at convincing people that they are some how entitled to certain goods and services without working for it. 2Thes:3:10, tells us if you don't work you don't eat!

                    Studies show Democrats (where most of the socialists reside) are much less charitable at giving to the poor, other than with other people's money through government regulation. Obama started increasing his charitable giving in time to start running for President just as he all of a sudden was against earmarks! And the Biddens were really pathetic at their giving and still didn't increase it, to my knowledge. I have trouble believing that anyone in the US is going hungry (now called "food insecure") with all of the handouts that are available? California is finally going to stop welfare recipients from cashing in and gambling with their handouts. When I was a kid, we were embarrassed to be on welfare and tried to get off of it ASAP! Now it doesn't seem to have the same stigma and is just "gaming the system, as with filing bankruptcy!

                    My neighbor was out of work for a short time and told me he was not going to sit at home like so many other people he knew who abused the system. He got a job right away. Now are people willing to go where the jobs are or do they insist on getting a job in their neighborhood? We have young people here on the east side of St. Louis that will travel all way across the City by bus to steal from the stores in the Malls but can't come to the same area to work a job because it is not convenient for them! When I was young (40 years ago) we traveled 2 states away to get what we thought were good jobs! Yes, it meant we were further from family but sacrifices have to be made! Just saw a study that when people know that unemployment is going to run out all of a sudden they are able to get jobs. I am not saying that good jobs are not more scarce but until the economy comes back (debatable as to how much it will come back) we have to take whatever jobs are available and wherever available during the interim! And young people, who don't want to take time and sacrifice to go to trade schools or college, still want to start out at the top in the job market. And if they do take a menial job and get laid off, they really "game the system" by continuing to draw unemployment and live with their parents! Thus, we have had to let the illegals come in and work the jobs that our kids think are below what they are worth. And of course due to the estimated 40 million abortions, since Roe vs. Wade, we have a shortage of young workers!

                    The one thing we can all agree on is that the world is consumed by greed, whether it be taking advantage of workers or those taking advantage of the system through government handouts and programs, and it has fallen to a place where only God can straighten it out and maybe this is a major sign that He is soon a coming?
                    Very true John. It does seem they are building their own worldwide tower of Babel.

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                    • #25
                      Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                      I too have read Dr. Jeremiah's book and found it to be very good. It's been awhile though. And yes I agree that no matter how the money needed for the people is given it will be done in one manner or the other. I just pray that jobs will start becoming available for those who need it.

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                      • #26
                        Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                        It's very sad, we use to have so many jobs here,but they sent most of them overseas where the pay to employees is much cheaper. We don't have much here anymore to choose from. I remember back in the 80's and 90's that if you didn't have a full time job, you would be able to get a temp job that really would take care of you until a full time job was found. The temp agencies were booming back then and had jobs every day.

                        Remember also that back then, they didn't check your credit in order to give you a job. There are a lot of people out of jobs who have bad credit due to not having a job to pay their bills. They the government stated they will be looking into this credit check because of so many people out of a job and not able to keep up with their bills.

                        I think going forward, we are going to see things happen and it will get worse and worse. My prayer is for all of us that the LORD will give us the strength to endure until He comes. God Bless you all!!

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                        • #27
                          Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                          Originally posted by cornerstone33
                          I remember back in the 80's and 90's that if you didn't have a full time job, you would be able to get a temp job that really would take care of you until a full time job was found. The temp agencies were booming back then and had jobs every day.
                          Yes, very, very different then. In the '70's I only held factory and warehouse jobs. I only worked one year, 1977, without a lay-off. Whenever I got the pink slip, I was able to get work fairly fast. Once in '78 I was laid-off from a warehouse job and on the way home I stopped at a Midas Muffler warehouse and applied. When I got home, my wife said they called. The NEXT DAY I started work. Sometimes I'd go a month or two without full time work and the temp agencies had work for me almost everyday. They would just call me and say where to go and who to report to. In the very early '70's I traveled to Arizona. While there I ran low on money, went to a temp agency and was working within the hour. Tired of all the lay-off's .. can't work up here without being in the union and they only go by seniority, not work ethic, I decided to formalize my education in electronics that I've gotten since 8 or 9 years old. Just out of trade school, (50 weeks/25hrs. per week on the GI bill), I couldn't find work in electronics so I started a TV repair shop out of my garage. It supported the family for a little over a year until an engineer I met through church, got me in at an amazingly cool electronics firm. I was there for 20 years (82-02) where I developed strong engineering skills. Included in my ojt was 11 years as a production manager over 4 supervisors/liaison between production and engineering. The company brought plasma display technology from it's infancy to a viability that resulted in plasma tv's/displays today. But alas .. it is all overseas now. What I learned from 2002 until now, is that finding a job, during my 20 years at the electronic firm, has become extremely different and difficult.

                          When the electronics firm started to show signs of iffyness due to Japanese (patent thievery) competition and eventually S.Korean (patent thievery) competition, I started a VCR repair shop out of my garage. Also did some tv's but mostly VCR/CD/DVD player repair. In the late '90's that somehow turned into a videography service as the players became throw-away items and no one got them repaired anymore. So my weekend wedding videography/training video business, in 02 when the electronics firm went toes up, became a full time venture. I've done photography since the mid-80's and added that to what I do now too. For 9 years now, my wife and I do a weekly paper route .. good exercise; about a (brisk) 8 mile hike every weekend for each of us. I picked up a job cleaning/light maint. two YMCA buildings in the evenings. Then this past August, by a very simple but amazing story, I got into running a small gas plant at a landfill. The day before Thanksgiving was my last day at the YMCA. I was physically wearing down from non-stop work. Not to mention, my most amazing wife (she doesn't read these posts) thought it'd be nice to see me once in a while. Now I'm at the gas plant as a contractor, not an "employee." I got that job too late though to save the house. Everyday we live with wondering if this is the day that the sheriff shows up and says, OUT!" So, yes, there is some work to be had if one digs and digs and digs for it, but the pay is inadequate for most whose cost of living is according to say .. 30-40 K per year and is now only 10-15 K per year. I know a lot of folks who lost jobs and got another that don't make what they did make. For me, no problem downscaling .. though by now I don't have much more downscaling to go .. the Great Lakes area is a disaster zone in regards to work. I've had to lower my fees for video and photography services in a time when prices are going crazy high .. but I don't think we've seen anything yet in that regard.

                          So I read my bible, pray with my family, work as able and probably say too much here.

                          Issachar, meandering again ...
                          The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                          Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                          I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                          Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                          • #28
                            Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                            Hang in there Issachar, we're all praying for you. Ohio has been hit hard from this recession as has Illinois. Do you think we'll ever see things straighten out again? I have a feeling that we won't.

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                            • #29
                              Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                              Originally posted by Denise
                              Do you think we'll ever see things straighten out again?
                              I believe that the (natural) root cause of all that is happening is debt beyond what nations are able to pay back. Basically, whole societies are living beyond their means. That can only go on for so long. So the only way things will "straighten out again" is when living is pulled back to within means. Imho, people, as a whole, won't do that. There will however be attempts to "straighten things out" but those attempts will be on global scales. They need to be now because all the world's economies are integrated too much. I think we all have a guess what these attempts may look like from here on out.

                              Even if somehow the international bankers and the governments that are servant to them pull off something that looks good, it can only be surface and won't last because the debt issue will still be there. Finding more and more clever ways to cheat economic law only delays the inevitable. God decreed that by labor we will have what we need. Fractional reserve banking, fiat currency, compound interest, etc., are all violations of that decree.

                              Issachar
                              The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                              Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                              I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                              Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                              • #30
                                Re: I Do Not Believe This Is Sensationalism - States Are Broke

                                Originally posted by Issachar
                                God decreed that by labor we will have what we need. Fractional reserve banking, fiat currency, compound interest, etc., are all violations of that decree.
                                It's like any sin .. great (to the flesh) at the moment but with bitter, bitter fruit.

                                Proverbs 20:
                                17
                                Bread of deceit is sweet to a man; but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel.

                                Issachar
                                The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                                Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                                I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                                Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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