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Hmm, so what are the Americans going to do, lock both parties in a room and take away their passports 'til they come to an agreement
Seems this is more about Obama actually achieving something with his presidency than ending a 60+ year conflict.

Whatever the outcome, it'll no doubt end with the Israelis getting shafted as usual.

"When they reach an impasse, and they will, the expectation will be that the president has to come in and fix these things," says Miller, now at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "Does he really understand what he's getting himself into?"

http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news...stakes_for.htm

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Hmm, so what are the Americans going to do, lock both parties in a room and take away their passports 'til they come to an agreement
Seems this is more about Obama actually achieving something with his presidency than ending a 60+ year conflict.

Whatever the outcome, it'll no doubt end with the Israelis getting shafted as usual.

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A partial peace deal between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, even if achieved within a year, will not satisfy Washington, a US official said Tuesday.

The American official told reporters in Jerusalem that the upcoming peace summit in Washington aims to strike a full peace agreement between the parties. The official rejected the possibility of "only" a partial or interim peace deal within the timeframe set for the peace talks.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...943318,00.html

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U.S. warns Israel: Refrain from harming peace talks

U.S. President Barack Obama has invested a lot of time on this issue, the official said while stressing how important the talks were for Obama. He added that the president has put his credibility on the line by inviting everyone to the White House and is more invested in this issue than the previous U.S. government was.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...talks-1.310001

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Remember this quote from the other thread
http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=32656

"At this point... the only thing that will convince onlookers that US policy has changed will be tangible results.

"Another round of inconclusive 'talks' will just reinforce the growing perception that the United States cannot deliver," Walt said.

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Arab League extremely concerned re: Israeli position

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...941793,00.html

The Arab League declared it was extremely concerned with the Israeli position to be put forward in direct talks with the Palestinians, which will be launched in Washington on September 2

They are also questioning Obama without mentioning his name?????

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Arab League extremely concerned re: Israeli position

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...941793,00.html


Jordan hopes talks lead to PA State

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...941697,00.html

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Syria: Direct talks worse than Oslo...........won't work

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...941581,00.html

There it is..... again.

if the (Middle East diplomatic) Quartet doesn't have the ability (for pressure), then the negotiations have no sense," said Tishrin newspaper.

If you are building a OWG and a OWR this is the last thing you want out there.

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Syria: Direct talks worse than Oslo...........won't work

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...941581,00.html

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I'm guessing you meant "pretrib-Rapturist" rather than "premil-Rapturist".

whoops, yes I meant pre-trib,

Just a quick question then, have you identified with Blaising, Bock, et al?

I would'nt call myself a progressive dispensationalist.

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http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/n...d-us-trip.html

Amman - Jordanian King Abdullah II is traveling Sunday to Saudi Arabia for consultations with the Saudi leadership ahead of his trip to Washington to attend a six-way meeting on September 1, officials said Saturday.

The Jordanian monarch will have talks with Saudi King Abdullah on the "latest Middle East developments and issues of mutual interest," a royal court statement said.

Saudi Arabia is the author of the Arab peace initiative, which the Palestinians and all Arab states consider a major reference for the direct negotiations.

The Arab peace plan offers Israel full recognition by all Arab states after it pulls out from all territories it occupied in the 1967 Middle East war, including East Jerusalem.

..........as if this is going to happen...pulling out of Jerusalem!

I can't see how anyone out there from the Quartet to the Arab League can actually believe any of this is just going to happen. Abbas and Bibi are no where near an agreement.

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I saw this little comment at the end of a Debka article

Indeed, according to debkafile's Washington sources, the prime minister may already be listening to a US proposal to assign the policing of the Jordan Valley and West Bank mountain peaks to NATO troops, most of them American.

http://www.debka.com/article/8984/
Alone it wouldn't be worthy of posting but with the past comments in articles over the last many years going back to Bush about placing Nato troops in Israel. Bibi insistence there not be foreign troops and Abbas insistence on foreign troops...
It leaves only Israel insisting they not be there.

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http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/n...d-us-trip.html

Amman - Jordanian King Abdullah II is traveling Sunday to Saudi Arabia for consultations with the Saudi leadership ahead of his trip to Washington to attend a six-way meeting on September 1, officials said Saturday.

The Jordanian monarch will have talks with Saudi King Abdullah on the "latest Middle East developments and issues of mutual interest," a royal court statement said.

Saudi Arabia is the author of the Arab peace initiative, which the Palestinians and all Arab states consider a major reference for the direct negotiations.

The Arab peace plan offers Israel full recognition by all Arab states after it pulls out from all territories it occupied in the 1967 Middle East war, including East Jerusalem.

..........as if this is going to happen...pulling out of Jerusalem!

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Well firstly, Im a dispensationalist, however Im no longer a premil-Rapturist, I believe the Church will go through the Great Tribulation. wont discuss that here though.
I was just curious on the thoughts of members of the forum pertaining to the 'possible' break up of Israel, and if it would change their eschatological view at all.
I know some personally who have changed their thinking regarding Israel, that God has given them 60+ years to repent and come back to Him through Christ, but because of unbelief will once again lose the land. (I, however dont hold this view).

I'm guessing you meant "pretrib-Rapturist" rather than "premil-Rapturist".

Just a quick question then, have you identified with Blaising, Bock, et al?

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You almost sound (and I haven't followed any of your eschatological views) as if you believe 1948 is an aberration or fluke Irvine. Why should it change our view? This could be the setup for Eze 38:10-13.

Well firstly, Im a dispensationalist, however Im no longer a premil-Rapturist, I believe the Church will go through the Great Tribulation. wont discuss that here though.
I was just curious on the thoughts of members of the forum pertaining to the 'possible' break up of Israel, and if it would change their eschatological view at all.
I know some personally who have changed their thinking regarding Israel, that God has given them 60+ years to repent and come back to Him through Christ, but because of unbelief will once again lose the land. (I, however dont hold this view).