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The US is still the world power.
In fact in....http://www.watch.org/articles.html?mcat=1
There is a statement Obama is going to attend/lead the talks.

President Barack Obama would be present at the talks

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"re-launch direct negotiations to resolve all final status issues which we believe we can complete in one year," Clinton said

President Barack Obama will hold one-on-one talks with each of the four leaders, separately, on Sept. 1, followed by a dinner with them, Clinton said.

Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the special representative of the Quartet of Mideast peacemakers - the U.S., the UN, the European Union and Russia - also has been invited to attend the dinner, she said.

Clinton said she would then host the first direct Israel-Palestinian negotiating session on September 2,

The leaders of Egypt and Jordan have also been invited to join in the first session of direct talks.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ngton-1.309143


The words "final status" are very important here.

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Middle East envoy George Mitchell reiterated Cinton's statement, saying, "We believe it can be done within a year and that is our objective."

"The Quartet reaffirms its full commitment to its statement in Moscow on 19 March 2010 which provides that direct, bilateral negotiations that resolve all final status issues should lead to a settlement, negotiated between the parties, that ends the occupation which began in 1967 and results in the emergence of an independent, democratic, and viable Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with Israel and its other neighbors," the quartet said in a statement.

The only thing Israel got was the location. The Palestiinians got exactly what they wanted short of a declaration of Palestine..

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Now the Quartet has others problems to attend too. More flotillas on the way.

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According to AP the Quartet members are going to meet with their quote colleagues from the Arab League in September in New York.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100820/...rtet_statement

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"The Quartet reaffirms its full commitment to its statement in Moscow on 19 March 2010 which provides that direct, bilateral negotiations that resolve all final status issues should lead to a settlement, negotiated between the parties, that ends the occupation which began in 1967 and results in the emergence of an independent, democratic, and viable Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with Israel and its other neighbors," the quartet said in a statement.

Suppose this becomes a reality and the land ends up being shared by both peoples, what does that mean for those of you who believe the reformation of Israel in 1948 was an act of God? would this change your end-time views?

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Suppose this becomes a reality and the land ends up being shared by both peoples, what does that mean for those of you who believe the reformation of Israel in 1948 was an act of God? would this change your end-time views?

You almost sound (and I haven't followed any of your eschatological views) as if you believe 1948 is an aberration or fluke Irvine. Why should it change our view? This could be the setup for Eze 38:10-13.

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I did a Google search re: Madrid terms of reference referred to in the article (last line, 3rd last paragraph of the AP article)and came up with this.......the Madrid Quartet (2002)....April 2002 the Arab plan emerged, June 2002 Bush's ME Quartet emerged.........so how come it is known as the Madrid Quartet??????

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Foreign+Re...%2016-Jul-2007

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Madrid Quartet remarks....


http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Foreign+Re...e%202-May-2002

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Mubarak will be present at the talks....invited by the U.S.

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=185484

Jordan's king is coming

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Reports of U.S. gave PA guarantees

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...940900,00.html

Palestinian leadership announced Saturday that it accepts the United States' invitation to enter into direct talks with Israel, however PA senior officials conditioned talks with a continued freeze in settlement construction. Meanwhile, Israeli state officials stressed that a freeze continuation was not an option.

Also on Saturday, Arab media reported that the Palestinians had set conditions for direct talks which the US accepted and provided guarantees for.

Palestinian sources told the London-based al-Hayat newspaper that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas accepted American guarantees since Washington "already knows where talks should proceed and how they should end." This suggests an independent Palestinian state on the 1967 borders.

The sources added that the US administration would push for a continuation of the freeze in settlement construction.

Also,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...940900,00.html

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1942 - The United Kingdom promotes the idea of the Arab League to win its battle against Nazi Germany in the Middle East.
1945 — Leaders of seven states in the Middle East sign the Alexandria Protocol, thus establishing the first Organization with a Pan-Arabic ideology in the 20th century. The founding members were Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan (entering under the name of Transjordan), and Yemen(entering under the name North Yemen).
1953 (first enlargement) — Libya joins the Arab League after two years of independence.
19 January 1956 (second enlargement) — Sudan joins the League, two weeks after its independence from the UK and Egypt.
1 October 1958 (third enlargement) - Morocco and Tunisia join the League, two years after independence.
20 July 1961 (fourth enlargement) - Kuwait joins the League after 31 days of independence, and becomes the first Asian state to join the League after the founding nations.
16 August 1962 (fifth enlargement) - Algeria accedes to the League, less than two months after its independence.
1967 (sixth enlargement) South Yemen joins the League upon its independence.
1971 (seventh enlargement) - The largest enlargement with four Arab members joining the League, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Qatar and Bahrain.
26 November 1973 (eighth enlargement) - Mauritania joins the League after thirteen years of independence.
14 February 1974 (ninth enlargement)- Somalia joins the League after fourteen years of independence.
9 September 1976 (tenth enlargement) - The Palestine Liberation Organization joins the League.
4 September 1977 (eleventh enlargement) - Djibouti joins the Arab League two months before its independence from France that same year.
22 May 1990 - North and South Yemen unify
1993 (twelfth enlargement) - The Comoros accede to the League.
January 2003 - Eritrea joins the League as an observer.
2003 - Brazil joins the League as an observer.
September 2006 - Venezuela joins the League as an observer.
April 2007 - India joins the League as an observer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlarge...he_Arab_League

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I have to say I find it to be very strange and very suspicious for the Arab League to be coming on Sept 2!!!!!!!! and not later. Something isn't right about all this. Especially as it isn't just reps of the King of Jordan etc but the leaders themselves. If this should stay as it is being presented now, it would seem they are planning to jumped the entire process.
The world has decided Israel will be divided and just how it will be divided. Their confidence/arrogance now is flying. "Final Status".
I suspect Bibi is finding himself in a totally different position then he anticipated. This will not be Bibi and Abbas as he planned, but the world on one side of the table against Israel. They think they are going to bulldozer Israel. But wait !!!!!!, until they try to take it!
I will always remember the statement made many years ago about the guarantee the WH got to declare a Palestine and peace in the Middle East from the WH. If I remember correctly it was in the Rose Garden.

Just suspicious but it would seem right now, they aren't telling us everything and are hoping to jump to what they see as the last play of their plans!!!!!
I suspect as we see the list of those coming or the cancellations it will be more and more obvious exactly what is going down.

PS
The plan to send in troops is still very much alive and on the table as part of their plans. In fact, imho, the confidence and arrogance of the world right now, almost seems to guarantee we will see this soon.

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You almost sound (and I haven't followed any of your eschatological views) as if you believe 1948 is an aberration or fluke Irvine. Why should it change our view? This could be the setup for Eze 38:10-13.

Well firstly, Im a dispensationalist, however Im no longer a premil-Rapturist, I believe the Church will go through the Great Tribulation. wont discuss that here though.
I was just curious on the thoughts of members of the forum pertaining to the 'possible' break up of Israel, and if it would change their eschatological view at all.
I know some personally who have changed their thinking regarding Israel, that God has given them 60+ years to repent and come back to Him through Christ, but because of unbelief will once again lose the land. (I, however dont hold this view).

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Well firstly, Im a dispensationalist, however Im no longer a premil-Rapturist, I believe the Church will go through the Great Tribulation. wont discuss that here though.
I was just curious on the thoughts of members of the forum pertaining to the 'possible' break up of Israel, and if it would change their eschatological view at all.
I know some personally who have changed their thinking regarding Israel, that God has given them 60+ years to repent and come back to Him through Christ, but because of unbelief will once again lose the land. (I, however dont hold this view).

I'm guessing you meant "pretrib-Rapturist" rather than "premil-Rapturist".

Just a quick question then, have you identified with Blaising, Bock, et al?