OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE-euthanisia

[Andy]

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Hasn't that been the first order of business for any dictator whether Rev 17:17 is in view or not?

I agree it's the order of a dictator to take control of their subjects, yes, but not to then give that control over to anyone else. Rev 17:17 is an extra step that I don't think has ever happened.

[JohnR]

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I agree it's the order of a dictator to take control of their subjects, yes, but not to then give that control over to anyone else. Rev 17:17 is an extra step that I don't think has ever happened.

I agree for the most part (especially about Rev 17:17), but most, if not all, dictators eventually try to hand the reins over to someone of their choosing.

[Andy]

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The entire text of the bill is at http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3590/text

The text of the reconciliation bill that has been sent back to the Senate is at this same site, too.

I read the HR 3590 bill 3 or 4 weeks ago (this being the bill that the Senate previously passed,) but haven't tackled the reconciliation bill (HR 4872).

Unfortunately, these are web files (HTML) and can't be printed out easily (not that anyone wants to kill a tree for this.)

Tasarwen, that's a VERY interesting article you linked to above. Makes you wonder how many other "Protected groups" will wind up not being subject to this. The physicians where I work are EXTREMELY SKEPTICAL that anything positive will come from this.

Thanks, PB, I don't know if you noticed but on the right of the page there's a place to vote on if you support or oppose the bill. As of me writing this response only 25% of those that have voted support this garbage.

[Guest]

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I read somewhere today that the light finally came on for all the congresspersons' direct staff - "There must be something they're not saying.... I'm covered by this, but they're not? Have I been hoodwinked?"

PlumBob's response - no, you've been "sacrificed."

Andy, you're welcome. The bills are out there somewhere in .pdf, too. Search by the number of the bill, if you really, really, really don't mind downloading a virus to your hard drive... LOL.

[Andy]

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Yes, PB, there's no doubt in my mind this was voted on w/o anyone thoroughly reading it..

This verse just popped into my mind:

Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

SHAME on those that made such an incredibly important decision without hearing the matter first!

[Glorify Him]

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Andy, you have hit the nail on the head in mho. "Shame" or the lack of their inflated egos to feel that emotion is a huge part of what has propelled all of this. These people who were elected, by and large, know no shame and are devoid of the ability to feel shame or even recognize it. It is looking like we have a large majority of sociopaths sitting in congress. A true Sociopath knows no shame and has no capacity to be empathic--very similar to a Narcissist. Both scary types.

[M from M]

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I know i can't post an A.P But,

Go to this christian web-site and look for Posting related to this topic,
it's congratulatory source: http://www.wnd.com/

Hint: Oh , island to the south off of FL.

bbl

[Lay it to Heart]

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"** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts."
"** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally."
"** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN)."
"** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)"

To reform health care we should remove all illegals from the country.

[Issachar]

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There are illegals that would be dead inside of a week if booted. I wonder how we reconcile that with our Christianity and balance it with the fact that a nation cannot support the world?

See post #'s 9&10

Issachar

[Issachar]

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Any thoughts with a Christian perspective?

Issachar, doesn't know an answer .... other than trust in the Lord in all things.

[SAT]

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I know this isn't the way we were taught by the world but we weren't suppose to live by their beliefs. We are to love our neighbor as ourselves. Love them like we love ourselves.
This is not depending on the neighbors neediness or even lack of it.
The amazing thing about all this, and yes I've said it before lol, the elite are actually behaving very Christian. We have moved away and our enemy has picked up that truth in the name of a false god.
Now that is a scary thought. Their goal is actually very Christian, which is very deceiving. The same sin of the Tower of Babylon.

I'm not picking on anyone. We(the body) mostly lost it's way slowly over time.
The number one command of God to us was to love Him with all our hearts and love our neighbors as ourselves. I sometimes question if we truly have even found how to love Him with all our hearts, as one would think loving our neighbor would just be a natural outflow of loving Him that much. We would be living the Book of Acts.
Ooops didn't mean to preach.

[SAT]

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I guess I got so worried about being preachy I forgot to mention. When I think about it, it sounds so harsh but I always remind myself it isn't. It would mean there is soooooo much more then I ever experienced available to me. I want it and strive to get here

[Andy]

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Christian perspective on what, Issachar? On how to treat illegal immigrants or on the subject of the thread?

[Issachar]

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Just got back from the grand land of Michigan. Ummm ... the illegal's treatment. If the one's, for example on dialysis, are booted ... they die. But if they're here illegally, ...

Issachar, gone again for around 1-2 hours ...

[Andy]

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Yes, brother, it is an extremely difficult line to define. If I were a Border Patrol Agent what would I do if I saw someone coming across the line - and they were doing so because on their side of the line they and their families are starving? Or like you said, they are dying from lack of dialysis? Does the ends justify the means? Jesus said to "give to anyone who asks of you" yet certainly we are to abide by the laws of the land. My wife has repeatedly told me about illegals that come over and have a child - making the child a US citizen. That's what happens countless times. It may be harsh but my response, "Give them the US certificate of birth for their child, send them back to their nation, and when the child turns 18 he/she can come to our border, present their birth certificate, and come on over." Since a child is subject to their parents' 'rules' anyway, this works for me. This business of letting the entire family live here illegally just because of 1 (or several) children that are citizens...it just isn't right.

Can we be responsible for everyone that is living in distress all over the world? There has to be a healthy line that allows Christians to demonstrate Christ and His love to all while at the same time not compromising laws...I have no idea how that looks.