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Greetings all,

Letting everyone know that after somewhere around 28 years, when our annual hosting expires on 08/24/2025, Millennium Weekend Ministries we will not be renewing. Lack of interest for the past many years makes it clear to Esther and me that it does not make any sense to continue to keep the site running.

Many thanks to the handful of folks that have stuck it out with us. Perhaps very soon we shall all meet when we hear the glorious voice of our Savior calling us home to the Father's house. Certainly any who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ alone for their salvation, repenting with a "broken and contrite heart" (Ps 34:18 and 51:17) will find mercy and will indeed be caught up together to meet our Savior in the air.

What a glorious day that will be.

In Christ alone,
Andy
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Debt and the Sin Nature

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  • Debt and the Sin Nature

    I was doing some thinking ...

    A couple weeks ago, a Toyota dealership commercial came on the radio ... "conservative talk radio" as a matter of fact. The commercial was loudly, boisterously (typical of advertizing) inviting people to HURRY! COME ON OUT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CASH FOR CLUNKERS ...!!" Then later I heard another similar for a Chevy dealership. And people did.

    So, here we have a LOT of well deserved blame on government for spending money they don't have. BUT ... they can't do that unless someone accepts that money. So while Mr. Beck and Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Hannity ... et al ... are placing a lot of well placed blame on government, they don't seem to place blame on the other end; the receivers of that money. If they do, I missed it because I don't listen to any of them very long.

    What if the government came up with this cash for clunkers program and the dealerships said, "No thanks! We're all about free enterprise .. free markets. We don't want your socialist money." Or what if the dealerships were faced with an American public that said, "We're not buying a car from THAT dealer because they're willing to participate in yet another government boon doggle of a program."

    What if a bank was failing and it was numbered by the government as one of the "too big to fail" institutions so the government said, "Here! We'll give you billions of tax payer dollar to keep going." and the heads of the banks said, "Ummm ... no thanks. We're about the free market principle. We don't want to partake in any socialist program. It's not good for the country." Or what if a bank did fail and depositors lost a lot of money ... FDIC is broke and government says, "Here, we will take more taxpayer money and give it to you to cover your loss. We'll up the outpay from $100,000 to $250,000 dollars." What if the depositors said, "No thanks. We'll accept our losses. The socialist trend tradeoff is not worth it. We'd rather have our freedom. It's our fault for putting out money into a bank and not watching to see that the bank was making wise decisions. It's our loss. We'll deal with it."

    What if farmers had a bad year and took a loss that year ... but were able to hang in there because they KNOW that those sorts of years will happen so every year they put back something just for such a time as draught. But the government says, "Hey. We'll subsidize your loss with taxpayer money." What if the farmers said, "No thanks. We believe in the free market system. You win some and you lose some. We'll deal with it. In fact, this year's hit is harder than we were prepared for but some farmers in another part of the country that did very well in their growing season are going to help us out just as we did for them back when they had a bad year. We don't need no stinkin' gov't bailout. That would be akin to some socialist philosophy."

    What if the government decided to give everyone $300 or $600 or more? What if the people said, "No thanks. We know you don't have it and you'd just be putting all of us in more debt. We prefer the free market system." If it had really been a "surplus" and they gave it back, that would be one thing but we all know that all tax revenues do not cover annual expenditure. The U.S. borrows ... these days ... about 4-5 billion dollars EVERY DAY to operate. There is no "surplus" other than in rigged books for political purposes.

    I could go on and on as could any of you folks ... but my point is, it's not JUST government messing things up. It's the whole of society. I sometimes here people say ... "We need to flush out D.C.! Get 'em ALL out of there and start over with new people!" Right. How? By throwing out the Constitution? That's not how the Constitution says our country runs. It would be like President W. Bush saying that he has abandoned free market principles to save the free market system.



    Abandoning the Constitution to save the Constitution. huh?

    Anyway ... here is my point. Humans, in general, are only going to look at short term "what's in it for me." Unsaved people have a sin nature and they are, sadly, the majority. The sin nature is selfish; inherently so.

    I hear the mantra on conservative talk radio, daily ... "Don't take money I worked for out of my pocket and give it to someone who did not work." That is a sound principle. However, all of us are partaking of gov't programs either directly or indirectly; programs that cost money that the gov't does not have and we are not willing to pay (increase taxes). If we buy a car from a company that was bailed out by the gov't, if we use medicaid or have elderly relatives that use medicaid, we are accepting money that is not ours. If we have a parent on medicaid that pays for $1,100 per month in prescriptions, we partake too because if there was no medicaid, we would find a way to take on the burden ourselves .. so we indirectly accept gov't money. Most would say, rightfully, that they cannot pay that themselves for their parent. So we go on with these gov't spending programs. Now, we are not taking money out of another fellow tax payer and using it. We are taking money out of the pocket of people not yet born, and using it. With current national debt levels, every household in America is in debt for something like $546,000. Waaaay beyond what any of us will ever pay. That is why I say it is debt on our children and our children's children ... and theirs ..... and on .... But you know what? Should the Lord tarry ... those children and on ... will do the same things and pass on their debt to even more future generations. At some point, it has to stop. But it won't stop because of wisdom. It will be a forced stop; forced by the economic laws that our Lord built into the creation.

    Issachar
    The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

    Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

    I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

    Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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    Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

    If you take a really big pie and split it with oh say 307 million people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
    then you take the same pie and split with say 7 billion
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_the_world
    Pride tends to make you reach for the whip cream so it looks bigger and better?????
    The problem? 7 billion is the new reality. The values we profess to have are really being tested.

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    • #3
      Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

      Originally posted by SAT
      The values we profess to have are really being tested.
      By "we" I'm thinking you mean Christians? If so ... true. That is why we need to be so grounded in the Word, in prayer and we NEED to be more in community/fellowship. That doesn't mean "communes" though those work well for some ... but in community because, that is what we are supposed to be. It seems to me that when those "of the world" see us that are merely "in the world; not of it" (John 17), that they should see a difference that is attractive if they are searching and worth persecuting if they are haters of God. But mostly in the West, Christianity is seen by most as "just another of many religions". Testing cleanses.

      Issachar
      The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

      Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

      I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

      Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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      • #4
        Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

        No one says to toss out the Constitution, tossing out the gov't is written in our Declaration of Independence.

        When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
        I think the calls are more like, do not "re-elect" these people who have gotten comfortable with automatically being re-elected and not representing those that elected them.

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        • #5
          Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

          Yes I was.
          Side note-I know I could get a really big "crunch" here but it almost seems to me, in our humaness, we had years to accomplish the Christian "sharing" but failed. Now Satan is having a go at it and we don't like it because he is doing it his way.

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          • #6
            Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

            Sat...you are saying to toss out the Constitution, not just the government?

            Regarding your side note, the Church was never called to conquer the world, the Bible tells us that human gov't is alway going to fail and the Lord describes them as "beasts" (Daniel) the kingdom will not be ushered in until Jesus ushers it in.

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            • #7
              Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

              BNL, that is a true quote you posted, but it was the Americans writing about England and their justification for breaking off from England and forming their own country. The new country has it's own Constitution now. I was saying that there is a Constitutional way in this "new" country to replace gov't. I'm sure you have heard people say something along the lines of what I said earlier about "kick 'em all out and get all new people in there ..".

              Originally posted by BNL
              I think the calls are more like, do not "re-elect" these people who have gotten comfortable with automatically being re-elected and not representing those that elected them.
              Now that is what the constitution says.

              Issachar
              The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

              Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

              I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

              Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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              • #8
                Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

                Originally posted by BNL
                Sat...you are saying to toss out the Constitution, not just the government?
                I think she was answering my opening question in post #3 when she said, "Yes I was."

                Issachar
                The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                • #9
                  Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

                  The Declaration of Independence spelled out why the colonies were breaking off from Britain, but it is an established precedent (just like the Magna Carta was) for replacing any gov't in the future that became a tyrant over the people. The Declaration is the "reasons" for the grevience with Britain, but delcares that the people have the right to throw off future gov'ts that did not represent the people. The Constitution lays out how that gov't is supposed to function.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

                    Originally posted by Issachar View Post
                    I think she was answering my opening question in post #3 when she said, "Yes I was."

                    Issachar
                    Thanks...I still get confused with posts sometimes.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

                      I think we all do sometimes. It's the nature of these sorts of things. In heaven we will all speak perfectly, hear perfectly ... no misunderstanding anything.

                      Issachar
                      The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                      Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                      I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                      Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

                        No I can't control what the world does but what I am saying is...
                        From the beginning of my Christian walk I have been taught from the Bible that my health and provision wasn't dependant on "state" or even my efforts but God. Now I find myself having to live it.
                        How can I whine about sharing? (Satan knows what he is doing and for now, being the "angel of light" we long professed to be.) Warn about who controls it but not whine. Take advantage of the opportunity God has presented us with? God after all chose us to be here, not to fight for some worldly system but His Kingdom.
                        This is an opportunity.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

                          Originally posted by Issachar View Post
                          I think we all do sometimes. It's the nature of these sorts of things. In heaven we will all speak perfectly, hear perfectly ... no misunderstanding anything.

                          Issachar
                          True but the situation God has brought us too is burning as much of that out as we will allow.
                          Remember He chose us and chose us for now.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

                            True. We were not "accidentally" born when we were.

                            Issachar, thinking face to face is still better than just the typed word ... even with emoticons. <--- irrelevant; just wanted to use it because I'd love to bike across the country sometime.
                            The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

                            Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

                            I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

                            Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Debt and the Sin Nature

                              A good reminder for me is the fact the majority of God's children don't live as well as we have in North America.
                              Now I am finding out how much I depend on the world.

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