Obama To Set Up Kingdom On Earth

[SAT]

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I guess imvho, one of the questions we are facing is, why was the Tower of Babel so wrong?
They were building a tower to God.
Now, they are building a world with Christian ideals.
Why does it always end with a evil King?
I can only think part of the answer lays in the phrase "in the world but not of the world". By passing the repentance and humbling to God.
This one I hope others will see the heart I present it but here it goes...maybe it is even arrogance in thinking we can build anything simular to His kingdom without Him here to build it and ruling and reigning.

[gail]

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I believe the Tower of Babel was to be built to show man's greatness and his ability to exhault himself above God It was not intended to reach up to God for the right reasons.

[SAT]

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Very true.
Genesis 11
The Tower of Babel
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward, [a] they found a plain in Shinar [b] and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."

5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel [c] —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

For those who prefer the KJV
Genesis 11
1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

2And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

[SAT]

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We know from verses...
http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=29335
and other verses, there will be people who don't accept the Lord's authority and eventually the demons are released again during the millennium.
Is it the leadership we would allow???? Is it even the fact we would be arrogant enough to think to could build it without Him???
Just wondering and wanting to dig deeper as it seems to have everything to do with what we are seeing today.

[SAT]

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Or even when you try to build a kingdom on Christian prinicipal or ideals it does as Wesley stated.....
And the Lord said, Behold the people is one, and they have all one language - And if they continue one, much of the earth will be left uninhabited, and these children of men, if thus incorporated, will swallow up the little remnant of God's children, therefore it is decreed they must not be one. And now nothing will be restrained from them - And this is a reason why they must be crossed, in their design.
???????

[SAT]

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http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...ad.php?t=29362

Britain's former prime minister, Tony Blair, believes that "to be harmonious, a society must leave room for faith."

[Issachar]

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ImVho, there are only two kingdoms. The kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of the Son.

Colossians 1:
12 *¶Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 *Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

If born once, one is a citizen of the kingdom of darkness, whose lord is the devil and if dead in Christ and raised with Christ ... that is, born twice, one is a citizen of the kingdom of light.

2 Corinthians 4:
4 *In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John 8:
12 *¶Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 12:
46 *I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

2 Corinthians 6:
14 *Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:
8 *For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

1 Thessalonians 5:
5 *Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

1 Peter 2:
9 *But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Of course there is much more on this matter of light and dark in the scriptures and I always encourage folks to read any scriptures I post to read them in context.

Since the fall of man, when he took on a sin nature; a nature that is inherently selfish, men have continuously attempted to build kingdoms on varying premises ... all of them are in darkness. That is because there is only one kingdom of light; the kingdom of God. And His kingdom, at this time, is not visible on the earth in the sense that many imagine a kingdom.

John 18:36 *Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Issachar

[SAT]

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Interesting. Soooo what you are saying is that any kingdom we try to build here on Earth, even if based on Christian ideals is doomed to fail as there are only two real kingdoms. One of Satanic and the other Heavenly?
Sooo at Babel it was the fact they had together built one kingdom?
Hmm because it wasn't the Kingdom of God and they built their own?

[Issachar]

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Soooo what you are saying is that any kingdom we try to build here on Earth, even if based on Christian ideals is doomed to fail as there are only two real kingdoms. One of Satanic and the other Heavenly?

Actually ... yes. As usualy though; I could be wrong or at least partly wrong. I certainly do not see much, compared to what there is to see. Again imVho, Christians don't need to build a kingdom; even on Christian ideals. I say that because I believe God's kingdom is already built .. already exists .. as evidenced by the scriptures I posted. At least, that was my intent by posting them and encouraging further reading of them in context. But doing our Father's will, a bit of that kingdom is being manifested. In due time; His time, it will be fully manifested.

1 Corinthians 13:
10 *But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 *When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 *For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 *And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Romans 14:
17 *For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 6:
10 *Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

I know some Christians that have this notion that we (believers) are to build the kingdom of God on the earth and when it is done, Christ will return to rule and reign in that kingdom. That gets into the whole 'kingdom now' theology and the so called 'apostolic and prophetic restoration movement' and a lot of heresy. Men are not meant to build the kingdom of God. For cryin' outloud, we usually can't even manage to build a healthy church anywhere let alone a whole kingdom.

Issachar

[SAT]

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For cryin' outloud, we usually can't even manage to build a healthy church anywhere let alone a whole kingdom.

Issachar

You certainly gave me a good laugh, unfortunately you are right. That old human nature just keeps popping up. LOL

Soooooo the remnant wouldn't have anything to do with a kingdom here on earth because we only belong to one kingdom the Kingdom of our Lord.

It certainly couldn't have been the tower as He knew that would be a joke but the fact they became one with a kingdom????????

[Issachar]

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That tower in the plain of Shinar was strictly a human effort to a human end. God disapproved apparently.

Issachar

[SAT]

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imvho it had to be the attitude they held in their hearts that caused them to think they could.

[Issachar]

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I just had to run an errand across town and had a thought while driving ... It's not a new thought for me; just thought I'd add it here.

The kingdom of God is a "place" we are in when we're born again. We may have realization of it to varying degrees. It is dependent on the the renewing of the mind. Well, maybe more than that but that is as much as I understand it at present. As we sadly know, there are Christians all around the world that are persecuted daily, for their faith. We all have read (I hope) the testimonies of many that went through the suffering and even to their death but still maintained that Jesus is their Lord. Sometimes we hear of them raising up their arms in praise even as horrid things hurt them. I believe that they are experiencing the kingdom of God like no one else can in this world. As we have more and more taken from us in this crazy life, we trust more and more in our Lord; Jesus. We CAN reach a place of peace; a place of joy (not necessarily happy) that surpasses the understanding of the natural mind. It is God's grace.

Of course it will be a joy unspeakable when Christ sets up His kingdom and there is a new heavens and a new earth ..... however all that works.

Issachar

[Issachar]

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Getting to core things here ... I don't know why ... just the night I guess ...

My reason in talking about the things I talk about ... i.e. economy, politics, human nature ... is not because I find it particularly interesting; especially the economics and politics part or that "when we're aware we can DO something about what's wrong in the world" or any of that ... but rather, to reveal how plain it is that there is nothing in or of this "world" that is worth hanging onto. It will all be burned up ... the elements will melt with a fervent heat and in the mean time, none of it satisfies.

Proverbs 27:
20 *¶Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Issachar

[Andy]

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That tower in the plain of Shinar was strictly a human effort to a human end. God disapproved apparently.

Issachar

Well, He did tell them to "fill the earth" and they were all gathered around this one area. One thing confounding the languages did was force them to leave and head out to unexplored territory.