Fundamentally Transforming America

[SAT]

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I think you have opened the door to discuss the real problem Andy. Although there are Conservatives,( notice very few of them actually have any power), who are screaming. Most have been sidelined by the morals and ethics of the generations alive past and present and are not taken seriously. Which is why we can't disregard the spiritual realm. They have done a good job.
One of the problems we are facing is the fact it didn't start or all happen under Obama. If this statement is true and he did say this, it all started a long time ago.
(Side bar-you can almost go back to the beginning of our countries. A republic is a country ruled by laws. Laws are dictated by the mind set, morals and ethics of those alive at the time. imho Why? Because many but not all who had power back then only had a form of Christianity. Mixed with other beliefs it seems.)
Back to today...Obama couldn't and didn't do it all in this short time. It is actually very short when you consider when Putin and Obama supposedly had this conversations.
If I remember correctly Putin started ringing that alarm bell under Bush!
The changes actually started even before that. Obama was actually admiting what we all have known for sometime now.
Liberals and Conservatives, who should have been in the loop, have been watching and participating for many many years based on the beliefs of the majority of voters.

[Andy]

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The man swore to uphold the Constitution of the US when he was sworn into office.....this is absolutely unbelievable. Not that he believes this but that he has the AUDACITY to openly admit it. He needs to be impeached.

Yes, my blood is boiling over this...

[SAT]

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I have some idea how you feel. It is really sad and our generation can't take all the blame. It would take a major spiritual shift as that is where it started, and that is something we know, can and will only happen when He come backs.

Even then we know they will have the gull to rebel again! big ole shrug The nature of man. Is it any wonder He had to come here two thousand years ago. Where would man be if it weren't for what He did then to keep us from self destruct????? I sometimes wonder if He didn't do more then just opening the door for us to enter but so much more, buying us more time. But that is pure speculation.

[Guest]

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The man swore to uphold the Constitution of the US when he was sworn into office.....this is absolutely unbelievable. Not that he believes this but that he has the AUDACITY to openly admit it. He needs to be impeached.

Yes, my blood is boiling over this...

I put very little stock in this report. The only places I found this article were in austensibly "politically correct" publications, each printing the very same article, each asking for a $50 donation. Don't get too worked up about this. It sounds really bogus to me.

WLNF

[SAT]

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You mean the Obama part??? The repeated Putin warnings about US socialism we know are real. They were all reported immediately by all the mainstream media.

[Andy]

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I put very little stock in this report. The only places I found this article were in austensibly "politically correct" publications, each printing the very same article, each asking for a $50 donation. Don't get too worked up about this. It sounds really bogus to me.

WLNF

Yes, I see that now, WLNF. I see that someone asked the poster to provide a link to the supposed report and there hasn't been any response.
Okay, blood returning to my normal low-grade-fever level of 99.5 or so

[Guest]

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You mean the Obama part???

Yep.

WLNF

[Issachar]

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I put very little stock in this report. The only places I found this article were in austensibly "politically correct" publications, each printing the very same article, each asking for a $50 donation. Don't get too worked up about this. It sounds really bogus to me.

Until I/we/someone can find some verification, I will put little stock in it too. But I don't believe the web site I found it at (see "source" link in post #58; this thread) is at all "politically correct" ... at least, not by my understanding of that term. I think of "politically correct" as being associated with liberals. They aren't asking for any donation that I noticed but they do sell books by conservatives. It may turn out to be a bogus quote, but given that it is saying Obama made the statement, does not make it sound bogus imvho. IF Obama did say it, I would not be surprised, given all the things we know he has said/done already.

Issachar, looking around a bit for a more direct source ...

[Issachar]

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"I also made it quite clear that Socialism means equality of income or nothing, and that under socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you like it or not.
If it were discovered that you had not character enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live you would have to live well." George Bernard Shaw
(1856-1950) Irish comic dramatist, member of the socialist Fabian Society
Source: The Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, by George Bernard Shaw, pg 470, 1928

For direct info about the Fabian Society, whose members, for over a century, have permeated U.S. education, politics and economics, see here.

Issachar

[Issachar]

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Kissinger stating that the stage is set for Obama to "create a new world order."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...e&pageId=85442

Too, at this link is a link to a book, "Hope of the Wicked". It is very well documented and a very interesting read.

Issachar

[Issachar]

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Here is a list of quotes in chronological order (timeline), ranging from 1913 through 1996. I think you may find many of them fascinating. Imho, they explain a lot of why we see things going the way they are going today. I have never believed that the nations twists and turns were the result of the whatever-current administration. There has been some people working towards a one world order for a very long time.

timeline

Issachar, knowing there is no new thing under the sun because God's Word says that ...

[Boston]

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Ya sent me on a hour long search and read of that great golden oldie “none dare call it conspiracy” … a few quotes from 1970 and a lot reads like today’s headlines

"Change" is a word we hear over and over. By "change" these groups mean Socialism.

And a world government must have a world police force to
enforce the laws of the World Super state and keep the slaves from rebelling. The Los Angeles Examiner of October 28, 1950, reported that Congressman Richard Nixon had introduced a "resolution calling for the establishment of a United Nations police force…"

The editing of the executive order regarding Interpol

These elite planners conduct exercises in what they call "the world game." For example: There are too many people in Country A and not enough people in Country B. How do you move people from Country A to Country B? We need so many males, so many females, so many of this occupation and so many of that occupation, so many of this age and so many of that age. How do you get these people from Country A and settle them in Country B in the
shortest possible time?

Immigration unrestrained

We will have systematic population reduction, forced sterilization or anything else which the planners deem necessary to establish absolute control in their humanitarian utopia.

Abortion in the healthcare bill

Every action of any consequence, despite the smokescreen, has centralized more power in what is rapidly becoming an all-powerful central government.

Like the book said, we are badgered into not being too far Left or too far right and all the time the norm of the center is moving farther and farther into the abyss.

[Issachar]

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Great post Boston. More that points to just how long this "transforming" has been going on ...

A bit of warning from Thomas Jefferson concerning public debt: A letter from him to Samuel Kercheval in 1816:

... the salutary lesson, that private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, and to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia, which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.

Source

Also in 1816, he wrote a letter to John Taylor:

And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

source

There is quite an outcry against anything that will take more of the money we earn and place it in the public coffer but nary a word about the mounting debt we are today, heaping on our posterity. I don't know if it is because people are ignorant, for the most part, of what public debt is/does or if it is because they know, but believe there is nothing that can be done about it.

Imho, we've reached the point of no return because there are only two ways to change that. Cut spending and/or increase taxes. No one wants either one. If spending were cut as much as it needs to be cut, many would die, many, many more would fall into economic hardship ... and no one is going to vote to raise taxes to the level needed to quit borrowing even though that would be the American public paying their own way, now. Once a nation is dependent on it's government, then that government is in charge instead of "we the people".

Issachar, first and foremost, no longer "of the world" (Jn.17), but instead, a citizen of heaven.

[Issachar]

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I'm catching bits and pieces of Glenn Beck this week. He is onto George Bernard Shaw being a Fabian Socialist and all that entails. I'm glad he is bringing out some of this stuff. It is info I've studied for a long time and being marginalized for even mentioning it, it is nice to see someone "known" bringing it out.

Glenn is apparently of the opinion that if enough info gets "out there" and more people are aware of the behind-the-scenes activities, that "we can do something about it." That's fine though if it keeps him going on this track. If he stays on this track (I think he will), he will at some point realize that it's not going to stop (in a nutshell; global socialism or something akin to it). If he looks, it will run him smack dab into prophecy. Maybe he will be born again.

I'm glad he is pointing out that all of what we see happening goes back a long, long time and is not something that started with one or all of just the last few administrations. It is much larger than that and much, much larger than the U.S.

I think that one day, Glenn will find that most people, even when plainly shown what has been happening, will basically shrug, maybe say, "that's interesting ..." and go about their increasingly busy lives.

The only real answer lies not in changing or "fixing" the world, but in no longer being of the world; merely in it (John 17). As such, which can ONLY be accomplished through Christ, we are able to be most effective in the world; i.e. bringing that message that will save more and more from the coming end of things of this world.

Issachar, watching ...

[Issachar]

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John Dewey, the so-called "father of modern education", is too, a Fabian Socialist .. or was. See the red highlighted text in the quote in post #1 of this thread.

Issachar