UNESCO is Rebuilding Babylon

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Centuries. Are we to believe this? If so, then the End Times is centuries away.

After all the Jewish year is only at 5768[/B].

Ive read that the Jewish calendar is actually off as their was a miscalculation regarding the timing between the 1st and 2nd Temples due to a misreading of Daniel 9 that there were 490 years between the tragic events, rather than 656, and introduced a 166-year error.

Also, A scribe error in the Septuagint text of the genealogies of Genesis 5 left out another 73 years.
which would make a total discrepancy of 239 years. So the actual year would be 6007.
I believe it was in an article by Charles Swindoll, whether its true or not I dont know.

[wendyj]

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just bumping this so I know where it is and can read it.

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No, in this case I suspect they are leaders, kings, PM's, cardinals, etc.

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The one that ruled the world when John was given the Revelation was Rome not any of the other countries.

Agree. However from the context we learn that the 7 mountains and the 7 heads are the same. Do you believe the 7 heads of the beast are 7 literal mountains?

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The one that ruled the world when John was given the Revelation was Rome not any of the other countries.

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For the 7 mountains to be spiritual mountains instead of physical mountains then Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persians and Medes, Greece, Rome and the 10 horns would all have to be ruling the world when John was given the Revelation. How is that possible?

Not necessarily. In Daniel 2, we read about an image. The fact that gold, silver, brass, iron, clay, are all seen at one time, and as one image, does not mean that they all are ruling the world at the same time either.

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The 7 mountains are not literal mountains/hills, but spiritual mountains. Rev 17:9 explains that the 7 heads are 7 mountains. So the 7 mountains are an explanation of the 7 heads.

Rev 17:9-10
9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:9 is referring back to Rev 17:3 and explains that the 7 heads are 7 mountains.

Rev 17:3
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The seven heads of the beast, are the seven mountains. The seven heads of the beast, and thus the seven mountains, are:

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Persians and Medes
5. Greece
6. Rome
7. The 10 horns

A mountain is another symbol used for a kingdom.

The same thing we find in Daniel 2.

Dan 2:35
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

So, in my opinion the 7 mountains are not referring to the seven hills the city of Rome is supposed to be built on, but it is referring to 7 kingdoms.

Now back to Rev 17:9.

Rev 17:9
9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Is the woman, Rome sitting on the 7 kingdoms?

Babylon as well as Rome is one of the 7 heads, one of the 7 mountains.

A thought that crosses my mind is that the woman is "Babylon, which is above". The Bible does not use such an expression for Babylon, however it is called "Mystery Babylon" and the Bible does speak about a Jerusalem, which is above and which is our mother.

For the 7 mountains to be spiritual mountains instead of physical mountains then Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persians and Medes, Greece, Rome and the 10 horns would all have to be ruling the world when John was given the Revelation. How is that possible?

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In the New Testament days, Christians were very careful about speaking about Rome and its political system so the code word "Babylon" was used to denote Rome in conversations and in letters (epistles). Why Babylon? It was Babylon that Nimrod built man's first city and Babylon was the seat of idolatrous paganism from which the Church of Rome derived much of her spiritual idolatry's rituals and practices. After the Rapture, the vestiges of Roman Catholicism that remain will head up the One World Religion once again based in Rome, aptly called Mystery Babylon. At first, the woman (a spiritual apostate system) rides the Beast, but in time, the Antichrist will hate the whorish religious system and will utterly destroy it. As for Babylon the Great, the name "Babylon" would suggest that the physical city Rome will be destroyed by God near the end of the Tribulation Period.

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The Jews subtracted about 240 years from their calendar at the time of the 2nd revolt from Rome to make it appear that according to Daniel that their leader was the Messiah..... and in the confusion afterword never fixed it...... that is also why the Jews do not believe Daniel is a prophetic book....... they have it as one of their writings

The Jewish Bible is devided into 3 sections: the Law, the prophets and the writings.....

so this is about the year 6006 of the true Jewish calandar......

I'm not familiar with that. Do you have a source for it available?

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The 7 mountains are not literal mountains/hills, but spiritual mountains. Rev 17:9 explains that the 7 heads are 7 mountains. So the 7 mountains are an explanation of the 7 heads.

Rev 17:9-10
9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:9 is referring back to Rev 17:3 and explains that the 7 heads are 7 mountains.

Rev 17:3
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The seven heads of the beast, are the seven mountains. The seven heads of the beast, and thus the seven mountains, are:

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Persians and Medes
5. Greece
6. Rome
7. The 10 horns

A mountain is another symbol used for a kingdom.

The same thing we find in Daniel 2.

Dan 2:35
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

So, in my opinion the 7 mountains are not referring to the seven hills the city of Rome is supposed to be built on, but it is referring to 7 kingdoms.

Now back to Rev 17:9.

Rev 17:9
9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Is the woman, Rome sitting on the 7 kingdoms?

Babylon as well as Rome is one of the 7 heads, one of the 7 mountains.

A thought that crosses my mind is that the woman is "Babylon, which is above". The Bible does not use such an expression for Babylon, however it is called "Mystery Babylon" and the Bible does speak about a Jerusalem, which is above and which is our mother.

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After all the Jewish year is only at 5768.

The Jews subtracted about 240 years from their calendar at the time of the 2nd revolt from Rome to make it appear that according to Daniel that their leader was the Messiah..... and in the confusion afterword never fixed it...... that is also why the Jews do not believe Daniel is a prophetic book....... they have it as one of their writings

The Jewish Bible is devided into 3 sections: the Law, the prophets and the writings.....

so this is about the year 6006 of the true Jewish calandar......

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That's why some point to the "Treaty of Rome", the basis for the E.U. as evidence of the partly iron in the feet of the statue from Daniel 2.

The name for Europe, "Europa", comes from the Greek mythology of the Phoenician princess Europa riding Zeus who came to her as a bull.

A perfect picture of a woman riding a beast, which prototypes of the E.U. money have depicted.

Remember Sarkozy as of July 1t is bringing in the 5 + 5 partnership...5 countries from the EU, 5 from Arab countires
Post #4 below

Daniel 2 re: the toes says it will be a divided kingdom and mixed people...sounds like this just may be it

http://wedg.millenniumweekend.org/fo...hlight=sarkozy

Daniel 2

40And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

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That's why some point to the "Treaty of Rome", the basis for the E.U. as evidence of the partly iron in the feet of the statue from Daniel 2.

The name for Europe, "Europa", comes from the Greek mythology of the Phoenician princess Europa riding Zeus who came to her as a bull.

A perfect picture of a woman riding a beast, which prototypes of the E.U. money have depicted.

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There is a distinction between Babylon the religious system, the Antichrist's empire, and the great city of babylon.

The religious system to me has to be the catholic church, its referred to as a 'whore' and the church is often referred to as a woman, the whore would be an impure/apostate church.

The Antichrist will use this 'whore' for his own needs, then turn against her once he has no need for her.

The city may be Rome, as it sits on seven hills, however Rome doesnt yet have the power of other world economic cities such as NY, London, LA, etc.
And when John wrote of Babylon, Rome WAS the 'city which ruled over all the kings of the Earth' at that time.
btw, Istanbul Turkey also sits on seven hills, but doesnt have any real power in the world today.

There is also the Islamic world, that has to be factored in and Im sure will play a major role in the end-times.
The religious system will engulf the whole earth and currently Islam is growing in strength, much faster than any other religion.

Another thing to consider is that we might not be as far along on the prophetic timetable as we think, and we may have many years yet before the tribulation. personally I doubt this, but its possible.

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Modern day Rome would appear to be both Mystery Babylon and Babylon the Great.