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    http://prescottdailycourier.com/main...25&TM=43332.41

    Has anyone caught the common thread in some of the worst crimes in Yavapai County in the past year?

    This past Friday, Prescott Valley police spent most of Friday chasing three individuals. Department of Public Safety officers had pursued a pickup they had seen weaving in and out of traffic on Highway 89A and later stopped it in the Manzanita area and arrested the driver. After highway patrol officers released the passenger, PV police tried to pull him over for questioning when he left in another car. The driver of that car allegedly tried to ram a police car and ended up damaging an innocent bystander's car.

    Officers, including the SWAT team, eventually ran the car's three occupants to earth and arrested them at the Robert Road Baptist Church. The whole chase started because two of the individuals were in the United States illegally and didn't want police to find out.

    Later that evening, four Hispanic men invaded a Prescott Valley home. One attacked a woman holding a baby with a baseball bat, and another slashed her fiancé with a machete.

    For good measure they threw concrete blocks through the kitchen window of the home and the windows of three cars.

    In Prescott this past Oct. 28 a gang of Hispanic men attacked two brothers who had argued with them earlier in the evening about blocking the entrance to an East Gurley Street motel. One of them stabbed Daniel Cook to death and severely cut his brother, Lance, on the arm.

    Two weeks later police took out a felony warrant on Joel Medina-Ortiz, an illegal alien, as the primary suspect in the stabbing and arrested three of his relatives and another Mexican National in the case on charges of felony rioting. Medina-Ortiz is still at large and probably back in Mexico.

    The thread is not racial; it's national. We don't yet know the citizenship of the home invasion defendants, but in the other cases the defendants were not here legally, and the Friday chase and SWAT team outing arose directly from that fact.

    It's painfully obvious that Immigration Customs and Enforcement is writing off those illegals who get past the border and head north. ICE has been reluctant to come and get the illegals that local authorities arrest.

    Any worthwhile solution ­ at least in the short term ­ will have to be local. If illegals commit crimes here and local authorities catch them, the local justice system needs to handle it and come down hard. It's better to fill our jails and prisons with them than hope the government deports them and have them back in a week.


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  • #2
    Re: Recent crimes point to need for change

    And Yavapai County would be where?

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    • #3
      Re: Recent crimes point to need for change

      I wonder if it's possible to find the approximate cost of prosecuting this number of folks? I really have no clue other than it would be kind of high.

      There are 1952 miles of border which is just under 3.5 million yards. If a guard was stationed at ... say, every 10 yards, that would be over a third of a million soldiers. I don't think a wall that 1952 miles long would help a lot because it would be breached.

      Here is my question in all of this illegal alien thing .....
      What, realistically, do we want to see done? Stop illegal entry all together? Assume they'll get in anyway and screen them as they come and just take out the bad ones? I'm just curious as to what all your thoughts are on the matter. It is easy to say, "Enough! Stop them!" but much more difficult to do. I personally don't see a way it can be stopped without very great cost to our already over cost economy. Not only is there the cost in stopping them, but there is the cost of not having their cheap labor. Prices would go up on many things. That is fine if folks want to have higher cost of living instead of illegals. They just should know that. I don't think most understand what 15 million people looks like. (some estimates are up to 20 million)

      I still say that the real cure is for Mexico to be more industrious so that they have work for all down there that provides a real living. That too is easy to say but difficult to bring about. I sure would like to find out more about their government/police, etc. to know if that is the real problem.

      Issachar
      The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

      Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

      I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

      Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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      • #4
        Re: Recent crimes point to need for change

        Yavapai County is located in the center of the U.S. state of Arizona. As of 2000 its population was 167,517. The county seat is Prescott.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavapai_County,_Arizona

        Issachar
        The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

        Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

        I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

        Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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        • #5
          Re: Recent crimes point to need for change

          I wonder if it's possible to find the approximate cost of prosecuting this number of folks? I really have no clue other than it would be kind of high.
          As opposed to what alternative? Catch-and-release even though they're committing major felonies?

          Seal the borders first. And move against catch-and-release on these issues at the same time.

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          • #6
            Re: Recent crimes point to need for change

            Originally posted by N1095A
            As opposed to what alternative?
            Well, actually ... not as opposed to anything. I am just curious what it would cost.

            Concerning sealing the borders. I mentioned some options in my post above for sealing a 1952 mile border. How does a nation seal a border that large? Any practical thoughts on that? I think it would be possible, but only at a very high cost. Maybe only our Lord knows this, but I wonder what the real cost would be after taking out the cost of crimes committed by illegals? Subtract that from the cost of sealing the border. Also, the cost of more expensive labor would have to be factored in since Americans would receive higher wages than the illegals.

            Just curious ... Even if the cost far outweighs everything, it may be worth it?

            Then I wonder about this (I never could stop wondering ... ) ... just suppose the border was truly sealed 100% (the gov't won't allow that so all this is purely academic anyway) ... what becomes of all those folks that can no longer cross, work and provide for their families? Would there be massive starvation and/or disease just across the border from the US? I don't know what problems would be there, but there would be problems. Then the US would be helping them in their plight, hopefully, but with no benefit of labor from them.

            heh-heh ... The more I think about this, the more I realize that there is no solution that is good outside of Christ.

            Issachar
            Last edited by Issachar; 04-11-2007, 01:10 PM.
            The church is on Earth to save souls from a lost world, not to save the world from lost souls.

            Man learns about history, not from history. To learn from history requires wisdom. Cut off from God, he has none, so history repeats; no new thing under the sun.

            I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken - dylan

            Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

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            • #7
              Re: Recent crimes point to need for change

              Start with the major routes. Those are pretty much known. Work it down. You don't try to tackle the whole length the first day.

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              • #8
                Re: Recent crimes point to need for change

                I say we sent Pelosi down to Mexico to try and work this out.

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                • #9
                  Re: Recent crimes point to need for change

                  I mentioned some options in my post above for sealing a 1952 mile border. How does a nation seal a border that large?
                  Perhaps Russia (USSR), China, North Korea, Cuba, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and East Germany could give us a hint or two.

                  Sounds brutal, I know, but what are our other options? If the risk of crossing the border increases, I suspect less would attempt to cross.

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