Isaiah 19

[Biblenuggetlady]

Does anyone have any good studies/commentaries on this chapter? Something that struck me tonight...reading this. You know how you have read something many times before and then you read it, and it is like it is new? Anyway...

Is. 19:2 And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.

This is similar to the Olivet Discourse in Mt. 24 Nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom, brother against brother...

This must mean "worldly Egypt" not literal Egypt as it is "kingdom against kingdom". This chapter is speaking of a place(s) Israel has always fled to and who they relied on for strength rather than God. It speaks of the confusion, folly and divisions of the people, like what we are seeing happen right now with this ME mess.

It is uncanny if you read it again. It sounds like what leads up to the rise of the a/c and the drying up of the Euphrates? I was also reading a couple old commentaries on this and they say it is a "yet future" prophecy, per Henry and Jameson, Fausett, and Brown commentaries.

Anyone have any insights or feedback?

[Biblenuggetlady]

Re: Isaiah 19

Example from the study about what I mean, seems like today....

IV. Their politics shall be all blasted, and turned into foolishness. When God will destroy the nation he will destroy the counsel thereof (v. 3), by taking away wisdom from the statesmen (Job 12:20), or setting them one against another (as Hushai and Ahithophel), or by his providence breaking their measures even when they seemed well laid; so that the princes of Zoan are fools: they make fools of one another, every one betrays his own folly, and divine Providence makes fools of them all, v. 11. Pharaoh had his wise counsellors. Egypt was famous for such. But their counsel has all become brutish; they have lost all their forecast; one would think they had become idiots, and were bereaved of common sense.

...the governors of Egypt, that are the stay and cornerstones of the tribes thereof, are themselves undermining it.’’ It is sad with a people when those that undertake for their safety are helping forward their destruction, and the physicians of the state are her worst disease, when the things that belong to the public peace are so far hidden from the eyes of those that are entrusted with the public counsels that in every thing they blunder and take wrong measures; so here
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...3461-4887.html

[Biblenuggetlady]

Re: Isaiah 19

No one has any input or commentaries for this scripture? I think it is important so bumping for one more try at this....

[Lay it to Heart]

Re: Isaiah 19

¹The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. ²And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. ³And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. ⁴And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. ⁵And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up. ⁶And they shall turn the rivers far away; and the brooks of defence shall be emptied and dried up: the reeds and flags shall wither. ⁷The paper reeds by the brooks, by the mouth of the brooks, and every thing sown by the brooks, shall wither, be driven away, and be no more. ⁸The fishers also shall mourn, and all they that cast angle into the brooks shall lament, and they that spread nets upon the waters shall languish. ⁹Moreover they that work in fine flax, and they that weave networks, shall be confounded. ¹⁰And they shall be broken in the purposes thereof, all that make sluices and ponds for fish. ¹¹Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how say ye unto Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings? ¹²Where are they? where are thy wise men? and let them tell thee now, and let them know what the LORD of hosts hath purposed upon Egypt. ¹³The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof. ¹⁴The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit. ¹⁵Neither shall there be any work for Egypt, which the head or tail, branch or rush, may do. ¹⁶In that day shall Egypt be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the hand of the LORD of hosts, which he shaketh over it. ¹⁷And the land of Judah shall be a terror unto Egypt, every one that maketh mention thereof shall be afraid in himself, because of the counsel of the LORD of hosts, which he hath determined against it.

Since the day Isaiah wrote this for God, has Judah been a terror to Egypt and the river run dry? I have been curious about what the "heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it" means. It could mean they lose all hope. It could also refer to a future disaster such as the ETRR-2 melting down near Cairo. Here is a link to their reactor site. They had a lot of problems at first.

http://www.etrr2-aea.org.eg/

[TomT]

Re: Isaiah 19

In his Bible commentary Dr. McGee states all all of Isaiah 19:1 - 15 is fulfilled prophecy ... and it is only starting in verse 16 with the phrase "in that day" - which, again according to McGee, is a phrase used thru out the OT to signify the end times...

Isa 19:16 In that day shall Egypt be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the hand of the LORD of hosts, which he shaketh over it.

[TomT]

Re: Isaiah 19

Lots of material at blueletter:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...3977-6857.html

[Lay it to Heart]

Re: Isaiah 19

When did Dr. McGee say this was fulfilled?

[TomT]

Re: Isaiah 19

When did Dr. McGee say this was fulfilled?

If you go to the link posted above you can listen to his commentary on this section

[Lay it to Heart]

Re: Isaiah 19

I checked out the links above and Matthew Henry failed to mention when the river was dried up or when Judah would be a terror; lots of words but no real answers. I tracked down J Vernon McGee at http://www.discipleshiplibrary.com/s...ah%2019&st=all and found nothing too impressive; again lots of non-Biblical detail but not real answers. McGee unclearly suggested that the river was dried up when the delta started to get full. What really happened is that the river spread out but it has never, in any recorded history that I have seen, dried up. When it came to Judah being a terror, McGee went to what is in our future. Looking at this again, it looks like the Nile will dry in the future

[Biblenuggetlady]

Re: Isaiah 19

Thanks Tom...blb.org is where I get a lot of info from. I do like the Jameson, Fausett and Brown commentaries, but there was nothing really significant on Is 19 that I could learn, so was hoping there were links out there maybe to some other commentaries out there.